Quote Originally Posted by Vunak View Post
You made a cheeky post trying to be trolly and funny and I called you on it. Don't start out being passive aggressive and then get hurt when someone retaliates.

False? You still haven't proven that it was false. if you are going to accuse someone, at least have proof of the accusation. I even said I would amend my post. Yet you're still being passive aggressive.
You are the one who made the positive and bold claim that "everyone that has asked for BLU has anticipated the standard fair of abilities that every class gets". You didn't provide any proof to back up that claim. And now you ask me to show you why you shouldn't say that everyone shares that view? You understand how easy that is? You understand that I only have to find one person in the world who don't share that statement to invalidate it? Well okay. You asked for it.

Me. I never expected BLU to be treated like all the other jobs. Number of skills included. Why? Easy: the toolkit usually given by Blue Magic doesn't fit FFXIV at all. Learning skills in combat is such a unique mechanic that it basically makes the number of skills irrelevant, as the game could simply make you learn a bazillion of skills until you're set with a choice that suits you (which is exactly what they did). And finally, because the director and producer himself explicitly said that they would not be able to make it fit.

There goes your "everyone".
BUT! But... I'm not done yet. I understand that it might feel a bit cheeky (again) and I don't want you to feel cheated (lol, I actually simply want to crush these extremely annoying and dishonest arguments that can be boiled into "everyone thinks like me!", but shhhh, don't tell) so I'm providing you with actual examples of multiple people not thinking that BLU would be able to fit the mold, some of them suggesting drastic changes to the core design of the jobs to allow SE to implement "weird jobs".

Here
you
go
!
(Thanks to Fawkes for taking the time to provide some of them I didn't found)

Oh and, before you say it, yes, I'm aware that some people actually do think like you. But that's not the point. The point is to say that some people don't, which is something you apparently didn't think was possible.

Now, I hope you understand that I won't debate with you any further. You've put a huge burden on me after you made a positive claim, and I had to take the time to provide you with something that was actually very obvious: some people don't have the same opinion as yours. I don't even know why I wasted my time with that, but heh.
And I hope that if you want to change your stance to "most people think..." you'll provide statistical good data. Because that's how things work.

Quote Originally Posted by Vunak View Post
Again you are taking things out of context to fit your own agenda. BLU has been a pretty requested thing for years now and many in the community have given out good ideas on how they could implement it and still fit into FFXIV and give the sense of BLU that is envisioned (which really is hard to do since BLU drastically changes from title to title, they could of done just about anything with the class so long as it used monster abilities). So expecting SE to change their stance on something like that isn't outside the realm of normalcy when its had such a following and is iconic to the FF franchise and its also been done in another FF MMO of all things. Its not like asking for Chocobo Knight something way out there.
Taking your opponents arguments and debuking them when they are wrong is the basics of arguing. If you say to me "the sky is blue, 1+1=3, fire burns", I have all the rights to call you out on your second claim. That's not dishonest or taking thing out of context. That's simply not agreeing with one argument.
As for "the community gave ideas!", that's true. But that doesn't mean that they were good ideas, or that SE should be bound into listening them.
I'm not enforcing my agenda or anything. I'm not the one making baseless claims to rally "everyone" to my cause. But I'm the one that understand that this is not a democracy. The majority doesn't mean jack in a theme park MMO. If SE wants to do something else with their battle job, they bloody well can do so. They don't have to listen to anyone if they don't want to. And that's something you don't seem to understand.