SE, the concept of "Limited Jobs" is a really bad idea, turn back now

[YakushiHinata]

I'm also scared that future jobs are going to be thrown into the new Limited Job system as well.
I hope they look at how the community feels about this and take it into consideration for next time, since BLU is most likely too far into development to make any major changes at this time.

[Giruvegan]

Honestly, I'm glad there will be a job that doesn't involve using the dungeons. One of the reasons I took an extended break was burnout from things being the same old same old. I understand why some people don't like the ' Limited ' aspect but I guess I'm in the minority. While I am a bit worried about RNG playing a role with ability learning, it's a relief to have something different be introduced.

[Shadowshinra]

It's not "slightly wrong", it's using a false generality to give their opinions more credit than they actually have. By saying "everyone", they included people who actually never shared that view. It's disgustingly dishonest and disrespectful not to consider other people's opinion and trying to stomp their with yours using false and baseless claims.

Anyway.

Why would I need to imagine Yoshida saying something like that when he actually said the exact way they would do BLU if they were to implement it, and that it correspond perfectly to what they presented during the FanFest? Weird job not fit for party play that'd need heavy tweeking. That's what we got, because that's what a Blue Mage is about: having to learn an arsenal of gimmicky and situational skills from enemies to use in battle.
Blue Mage, and the toolkit given by Blue Magic in general, was never fitted to be in FFXIV. Whoever thought that a toolkit heavily based on status effects, gimmiks, enemy level, and exploiting elemental weaknesses was something that could easily fit in XIV is a fool. Edit: or very naive/ignorant.

Just look at what SMN became. A lot of people still criticize it today for not actually being a "true summoner" but a glorified pet job, which doesn't even handle pets very well. Do people really think that BLU would turn any better? Really? Or are they just lying to themselves?

I wanted you to imagine if you had never heard that quote nor heard anything about BLU being in XIV until Yoshida mentioned it to you in that hyperthetical situation. But it seems you are so fixated on that one quote from 4 years ago, Yoshida has said plenty of things that have never come or have been out right changed since he said it. Look at all the people with his comments about the housing situation as their signatures on the forum.

And while true that SMN can be considered to be not a true SMN it's still a fully playable job that looks and smells like SMN. I'm not saying BLU we're getting wont be fun, I'll be first in line to play it and have a bit of fun.
All I'm saying is you shouldn't be upset that others are upset that it isn't a "true" job. (This one isn't entirely aimed at you, just people in general since so many people are getting angry at both sides of the fence)

[Powercow]

Honestly, I'm glad there will be a job that doesn't involve using the dungeons. One of the reasons I took an extended break was burnout from things being the same old same old. I understand why some people don't like the ' Limited ' aspect but I guess I'm in the minority. While I am a bit worried about RNG playing a role with ability learning, it's a relief to have something different be introduced.

Oof, well set yourself up for disappointment because you're still going to be doing dungeons to learn skills, if the trailer is any indication.

I wanted you to imagine if you had never heard that quote nor heard anything about BLU being in XIV until Yoshida mentioned it to you in that hyperthetical situation. But it seems you are so fixated on that one quote from 4 years ago, Yoshida has said plenty of things that have never come or have been out right changed since he said it. Look at all the people with his comments about the housing situation as their signatures on the forum.

Remember when he said warrior was fine and we were all playing it wrong in 2.0? Those were good times. Clearly the man had the wisdom of the ages 4-ish years ago and could never ever be wrong about anything.

[Fyce]

Its pretty easy to deduce that when you go through and look at threads for ideas on how to implement BLU and at the time they conformed to the amount of abilities that FFXIV had at that point and time and then go forth and try and find a thread that breaks that mold. Common, yes. Common sense doesn't mean 100% factual information there buddy. It means using information provided to formulate a sound judgement on a topic or understanding, which is exactly what I did. There are no immediate outliers on the BLU topic where someone specifically asked for 49 abilities or more than what we have in FFXIV as a general ability number. So yes common sense was used. NOW people might because SE presented it as such, but up til this point there hasn't been. Using it as an excuse to limit the job further again correlates to my - they are going out of their way to make it hard to balance so they don't have to make it a proper job.

Perhaps you should research the word baseless and then move onto common sense from there.

Wait nevermind, so there isn't further explaining that needs to be done, i'll do the research for you:

Deduce: to determine by reasoning

Baseless: not based on any good reason.

Common Sense: good sense and sound judgment in practical matters.

The burden of proof is on you to show that my argument is without reason. So off you go minion find a thread in the past speaking on BLU that breaks the mold that FFXIV has followed to date, that does not include the actual reveal on BLU since that isn't what was being talked about. Then if you do, I will amend my statement to "most everyone".

Yoshida already called the shots fours years ago to say that BLU wouldn't be treated like the other jobs if it were going to be implemented.
What else do you need to understand that it wouldn't fit the moult?

There are no immediate outliers on the BLU topic where someone specifically asked for 49 abilities or more than what we have in FFXIV as a general ability number.

Oh, please. Of course you won't find anybody specifically asking for 49 skills. That's never what I said or implied, and you know it. Stop being so dishonest with your strawman. My claim was based on the fact that BLU was never going to be treated like a normal job, meaning that the number of skills would be irrelevant. Besides, we already have FFXI Blue Mage as an example.

I wanted you to imagine if you had never heard that quote nor heard anything about BLU being in XIV until Yoshida mentioned it to you in that hyperthetical situation. But it seems you are so fixated on that one quote from 4 years ago, Yoshida has said plenty of things that have never come or have been out right changed since he said it. Look at all the people with his comments about the housing situation as their signatures on the forum.

If I claimed myself to be a "Blu Mage fan" or that I've been "waiting it for years!" or even that I participated into "asking for it", but never took the time to look up for information regarding it, then I would be ashamed of myself.
If I'm passionate about something, I take the time to invest myself in it. I don't simply come to complain when it's too late because I didn't care until then.

Besides, isn't it a bit easy to criticize Yoshida when he doesn't stay true to his word, and also when he does? They really can't win, heh.

And while true that SMN can be considered to be not a true SMN it's still a fully playable job that looks and smells like SMN. I'm not saying BLU we're getting wont be fun, I'll be first in line to play it and have a bit of fun.
All I'm saying is you shouldn't be upset that others are upset that it isn't a "true" job. (This one isn't entirely aimed at you, just people in general since so many people are getting angry at both sides of the fence)

Go and tell that to the people who are still bitter about SMN or RDM. I'm sure it will change their mind.

[Vunak]

Yoshida already called the shots fours years ago to say that BLU wouldn't be treated like the other jobs if it were going to be implemented.
What else do you need to understand that it wouldn't fit the moult?

Oh, please. Of course you won't find anybody specifically asking for 49 skills. That's never what I said or implied, and you know it. Stop being so dishonest with your strawman. My claim was based on the fact that BLU was never going to be treated like a normal job, meaning that the number of skills would be irrelevant. Besides, we already have FFXI Blue Mage as an example.

You have a pretty bad habit of picking specific points in someones posts and trying to use them out of context of the whole post to make your own point which is way more dishonest. Also, its not like a developer has EVER gone back on what they said from previous years because they thought about something for a bit and were able to figure it out down the road right? Especially when the community has been mulling it over for years and giving out suggestions. Nope never happened.

[Fyce]

You have a pretty bad habit of picking specific points in someones posts and trying to use them out of context of the whole post to make your own point which is way more dishonest.

You spoke for everyone, I called you on it because it was not the case. You then went on into basically insulting me for lacking common sense. I explained why what you did was dishonest. And now I'm the bad guy? If you don't want people to blame you for using false and disrespectful arguments, don't use them. Pretty simple.

Also, its not like a developer has EVER gone back on what they said from previous years because they thought about something for a bit and were able to figure it out down the road right? Especially when the community has been mulling it over for years and giving out suggestions. Nope never happened.

Oh so, now when a developper say something, we should expect the opposite to happen even when there's absolutly nothing to show that it would be the case. Okay then.
While you are right when you say that it could happen, banking all your hopes on it like it was bound to happen is stupid.

[dragonseth07]

Go and tell that to the people who are still bitter about SMN or RDM. I'm sure it will change their mind.

Upvoted for this.

SE is tired of being told they are butchering jobs by making them fit the raid scene. So, they are listening and ditching that to give people what they think they want. The community brought this on itself.

[Vunak]

You spoke for everyone, I called you on it because it was not the case. You then went on into basically insulting me for lacking common sense. I explained why what you did was dishonest. And now I'm the bad guy? If you don't want people to blame you for using false and disrespectful arguments, don't use them. Pretty simple.

You made a cheeky post trying to be trolly and funny and I called you on it. Don't start out being passive aggressive and then get hurt when someone retaliates.

False? You still haven't proven that it was false. if you are going to accuse someone, at least have proof of the accusation. I even said I would amend my post. Yet you're still being passive aggressive.

Oh so, now when a developper say something, we should expect the opposite to happen even when there's absolutly nothing to show that it would be the case. Okay then.
While you are right when you say that it could happen, banking all your hopes on it like it was bound to happen is stupid.

Again you are taking things out of context to fit your own agenda. BLU has been a pretty requested thing for years now and many in the community have given out good ideas on how they could implement it and still fit into FFXIV and give the sense of BLU that is envisioned (which really is hard to do since BLU drastically changes from title to title, they could of done just about anything with the class so long as it used monster abilities). So expecting SE to change their stance on something like that isn't outside the realm of normalcy when its had such a following and is iconic to the FF franchise and its also been done in another FF MMO of all things. Its not like asking for Chocobo Knight something way out there.

[Giruvegan]

Oof, well set yourself up for disappointment because you're still going to be doing dungeons to learn skills, if the trailer is any indication.

I thought you couldn't queue into any of them unless you had a pre-made group?
From what I saw of the Live Letter, the emphasis seems to be on leveling in open world right?
Even if I would have to enter them rarely, that's still an improvement to me.