SCH needs some nerfs

[Connor]

Isn’t the low healing requirements of the overall game a barrier to balancing healers properly? When healers are balanced around dealing damage most of the time, it makes sense that one that literally was a DPS would have the easiest time of it.

On the other hand, the standard ‘pure healer’ type jobs (White Mage) don’t seem to do so well. They can do high DPS, but I don’t think that’s the idea behind a White Mage lol, hence why it tends to feel less impactful than Scholar / Astrologian who are supposed to be more support oriented.

You can argue that this doesn’t apply to Astrologian since it’s meant to be a low DPS heal/buff oriented support type healer, but I think the changes to stuff like lightspeed / Malefic III make it DPS enough to be desirable.

I think the devs see healers as having this weird balance because White Mage is the ‘pure healer’ whilst Scholar and Astrologian are the ‘support healers’. Of course this isn’t true, but I genuinely don’t think they take a healer’s damage dealing capabilities into account when considering how ‘balanced’ they are

[KDSilver]

I think the devs see healers as having this weird balance because White Mage is the ‘pure healer’ whilst Scholar and Astrologian are the ‘support healers’.

WHM could still be that "pure healer" with a very high personnal DPS (by a very significant margin) They have to rework some of its hGCD spell as well in that case, such as plenary for example, which duration is too short to have the best benefit from it except on really rare raid situation, asyulum and the fact that people has to be in it to get to HoT while Ast can directly put it on the party... maybe lowering some recast time or increase some potencies to match with the other healer gGCD potencies (which is a reason they are so powerful).

They could also adress the clipping WHM has with the same adjusment they made to ast with Stone being at 1.5s which could be a good start and reduce medica II cast time as well (this adjusment on AST looked to be adressed to nocturnal first, because of succor being at 2.5, but since any change is being made on ast whitout considering the sect, it was a small buff to diurnal as well, leaving medica II at 3s)

There are many things like this they slowly adjusted to scholar and ast (QoL) but forgot to do to WHM as well.

[Brightamethyst]

WHM could still be that "pure healer" with a very high personnal DPS (by a very significant margin)

That wouldn't really work either. There's a big difference between raiding and the entire rest of the game. If you give WHM enough personal DPS to compete with SCH/AST support in a savage raid setting it would be completely OP in solo and light party settings, which what the vast majority of players spend most of their time doing.

[Lastelli]

If you give WHM enough personal DPS to compete with SCH/AST support in a savage raid setting it would be completely OP in solo and light party settings

And why should people care about what happens in solo and 4-man content that can be easily cleared by smashing your head on the keyboard?

In case someone didn't notice, solo and 4-man content is already ridiculously unbalanced. Think about SMN/BLM aoe dps in dungeons or tanks' and healers' semi-immortality in solo content. Giving WHM more single target damage would hardly make things much worse.

[Neela]

And why should people care about what happens in solo and 4-man content that can be easily cleared by smashing your head on the keyboard?

oh you again hmm.. maybe because 80% of the playerbase don't even touch (hardcore) savage?... this elite talk is just bs.
like in the other thread... u can't just nerf Brds potecy based on fflogs/savage runs, cause if u do and look at their solo performance out of savage - they would be totally broken missing the Drg/Sch support.

lemme guess "who cares?"...

It doesn't matter? Why should people care?

You seem to be forgetting that people like us who post here are the minority. We like to get technical about the highest level content, but the fact is the vast majority of players never even set foot in a savage raid or EX primal, let alone clear them. You personally may not care, but most people don't give a damn about raiding and ONLY care about solo and light party play.

this this this...

[MoroMurasaki]

oh you again hmm.. maybe because 80% of the playerbase don't even touch (hardcore) savage?... this elite talk is just bs.
like in the other thread... u can't just nerf Brds potecy based on fflogs/savage runs, cause if u do and look at their solo performance out of savage - they would be totally broken missing the Drg/Sch support.

lemme guess "who cares?"...



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WHM is proof that balancing around casual content kneecaps jobs in endgame. Playing WHM in expert roulette is many times the best choice based on Holy alone.

You balance for Savage and the rest of the game will work no matter what those adjustments are. No one cares if WHM's do more pDPS in Ridorana because you'll be beating the dps checks either way and if you aren't there are bigger problems than healer dps to contend with.

[Lastelli]

oh you again hmm.. maybe because 80% of the playerbase don't even touch (hardcore) savage?... this elite talk is just bs.

/facepalm...

Again,

And why would all those casual healers be concerned about a potency buff to stone 3/aero, exactly?

[Neela]

/facepalm...

Again,

The only facepalm I see is your comment that a Heavy Shot potecy nerf would raise Mch to equality with Bard. ^^‘

[KDSilver]

That wouldn't really work either. There's a big difference between raiding and the entire rest of the game. If you give WHM enough personal DPS to compete with SCH/AST support in a savage raid setting it would be completely OP in solo and light party settings, which what the vast majority of players spend most of their time doing.

It really doesn't matter what the class can do solo and in dungeons honestly...
And increasing single target output will not make it OP either.
Where are you coming from

[Brightamethyst]

And why should people care about what happens in solo and 4-man content that can be easily cleared by smashing your head on the keyboard?

It really doesn't matter what the class can do solo and in dungeons honestly...

It doesn't matter? Why should people care?

You seem to be forgetting that people like us who post here are the minority. We like to get technical about the highest level content, but the fact is the vast majority of players never even set foot in a savage raid or EX primal, let alone clear them. You personally may not care, but most people don't give a damn about raiding and ONLY care about solo and light party play.