Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[darkstarpoet1]

Wolves camp. 40+ Which I think shouldn't be discussed as in that party everyone is usually 45+ since 1 50 can't solo those wolves and most members have to participate ("most"). We are talking pre-40. Link?

On top of that your all within 10 levels which was put in by design. Even XI had a system whereby your EXP would be gimped if levels were too great. Here, they just chop it off.

the discussion has been about power leveling in general. that is someone doing all the work while others sit and do nothing. if you think that is the only level you can get that kind of sp being drug through levels then you are sadly mistaken. it can be done in multiple spots at different levels. all i pointed out was that that type of sp has been proven that it could be reached.

[darkstarpoet1]

It can be reached. It can't be reached with 1 person doing the killing. Pre 40 the average exp/kill is about 800 (if you yourself are 10 levels or less below mob).

That means to get 250k/hour you would need to kill 10 mobs every 2 minutes on the dot. AOE only affects 10 mobs. 2 minute re-spawns aren't always guaranteed.

PL will always be here in some form. It's called "power" leveling because someone is helping you get experience faster than you normally would.

In XI you got healed by a 75, which meant you didn't need to sit on your arse for a few minutes between fights to recoup. Saving you time. Pulling faster. Faster experience than a regular party could do. For 5-7 years at least in the game.

getting leveled by someone sitting outside the party healing while you did work is one thing. having someone heal themselves, kill the mobs, and give you free sp while you stand around and do nothing is completely different. as many people, including myself, have stated this is a major issue when grind parties cannot be formed because the power level sp is multiple times faster.

[darkstarpoet1]

Everyone's biggest complaint is that PLing is making the content in-between useless. That it takes away from what SE has to offer.

I love this game, but what content? We need content, we have very little. Rather than focusing our whining and nagging about PL, focus on the lack of content.

Right now there's really no reason to be mid-level. If people want to grind, there are PLENTY of games out there that offer that. They can play those.

We don't need to get rid of PL we need to get rid of the reasons most people PL.

1) low population = no parties = reason for PL
2) no content = no reason to level + reason 1 = reason for PL

Two big ones. PL is always here as I said. You will never see it disappear.

no, they need to get rid of the children that feel they need to be power leveled at 10x the sp of a grind party. it's pathetic that one group says that others should not want a grind party and if they do they should go to another game. if you can't agree that there needs to be some balance between power leveling and a grind party itself it is you who is whining and being childish because it is you that wishes to keep the imbalance.

you are reminding me of a snot nosed 5 year old child "i want my levels now and i don't care who else it effects."

[Belial]

Patch 1.20 will usher in: Lower TP Generation, loss of attack abilities to earn TP, longer recast timers on weaponskills, the loss of major cross-class abilities, etc.

Honestly, with new patch this thread can probably be closed now.

[darkstarpoet1]

Patch 1.20 will usher in: Lower TP Generation, loss of attack abilities to earn TP, longer recast timers on weaponskills, the loss of major cross-class abilities, etc.

Honestly, with new patch this thread can probably be closed now.

actually it will just increase the difference in sp gained between grind parties and power level parties. it's not going to matter how much tp gains and weaponskills are changed when a r50 can pull together 20 mobs and 1 shot them while a party actually have to deal with the changes and do things legit. sure the overall sp will decrease, but when the power level parties go from 10x the sp to 15x the sp of grind parties it just makes the issue even more glaring.

I've never insulted you ever DP. In/Out of game or in any other way. I'm saying that:

actually, yes, you have.

[Smashington]

Let's say you want to start a party in FFXIV.

You already have low population. Now subtract from that the players who have all their jobs to 50 already (Some due to PL, some were all 50's before PL was implemented.) Now subtract from that pool those players who are not at all interested in regular parties because PL is so much faster.

There are not 8 players remaining on your server to form a party.

Even if you hit rare fluke and did get a party together, it won't be long before one of the members says "I got a PL coming!" About half the party is ecstatic. What do you do in this situation? Leave the party? Go ahead and let them PL? Do you offer to take you turn doing the killing, or the invite/ousting?

In this way, the availability of PL'ing dilutes the pool of available players wanting to enjoy regular EXP parties below the minimum acceptable threshold.

AFK PL'ing is completely unacceptable in any game. Your watching netflix as you level-up? Reading a book? Why even bother playing?

Are you trying to get abilities you need from other classes? For what? So you can fight Ifrit? Are you preparing for the Dark Moogle? How long can you enjoy these fights (if you enjoy them at all)? A week? A month? Until you get all the gear you want? Gear for what? For new Eng-Game fights that will eek out of SE at the apprent rate of one every 3-6 months?

There is a giant wealth of content that I personally enjoy in simply leveling up classes. I am the kind of guy that gets to the End-Game then starts a new character because I prefer leveling up. SE's answer to mediocre party battles is not to improve them but simply to skip them.

For me, and others of the same mind, SE is sending a loud and clear message that my favorite part of the game is not worthy of attention. If SE doesn't want me to enjoy regular EXP parties, and specifically prevents it from being feasible, then they will get exactly what they want. I won't even try to form a regular EXP party (at least not after a dozen failures.)

It's really too bad that regular party play was so mediocre that at least half of the remaining game population does not mind at all that it has become obsolete.

[Soukyuu]

An official reply would be appreciated.
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[Sorel]

An official reply would be appreciated.

The last official reply was in post #870 on October 11th. The link is below if you would like to read it again.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...454#post385454

[Soukyuu]

That reply was before the kick/invite method was necessary. I guess they are not aware that we found another way to afk-level.

[Issac]

That reply was before the kick/invite method was necessary. I guess they are not aware that we found another way to afk-level.

Sarcasm, right? I'm sure they were fully aware. Their decision to allow this boggles me to no end.