Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Shneibel]

How does a group pling in a exp camp hurt your pt, if a normal pt was there exping then its fine but if a pl pt is there then its wrong that's fail logic to me, cause either way you was not gonna get exp in that spot anyway.

you ask how it effect my pt so I reply. And why are we jump from "killing-community" to "I-want-to-practical-in-pl-or-not" ?

right....first the community in game barely talk with each other, and now you suggest that they should not party with random (the no ls or other ls) as well mean you suggest that ppl should only play with their ls and stop play with other ppl outside (at least that s what I get from the "dont-team-up-with-random"), how is it for not killing community ? are you blind or you refuse to see that ?

but this is the main point I pick out your quote (about the killing community) and yet you jump to other topic

[Sorel]

Now if you guys was saying Yoshi-p can you get rid of the bug where if an LVL 50 player grabs 20 mobs then is invited to an lower lvl party and exp is not reduced then yes i have no problem with that you guys just want pling gone just to be gone, and making false statements about small stuff that happens w/o pling

I believe the highlighted would be an effective solution (I also believe DarkStarPoet is the advocate of such a solution). Light Party and Full Party should be the most effective source of XP in the game. Once that becomes true again, grind-parties will be prevalent again.

I agree with you but most of them are just screaming how someone getting pled ruins their game, even if they fix this problem, people are still gonna pl regardless cause then you only have to kill the mobs outside the party.

That maybe so, but that type of PL actual requires the more effort and gives less reward than the currently implemented PL system. We're not against the word "powerleveling" or even the concept of it. It's that the existing implementation of powerleveling is broken ... and it should either be fixed, or not allowed at all.

Personally, I believe that Level Syncing is a better implementation of all the concepts and benefits in powerleveling (i.e. helping lowbies, earning better XP than soloing, etc) without the negative baggage ... but that's just my opinion.

[Firon]

you ask how it effect my pt so I reply. And why are we jump from "killing-community" to "I-want-to-practical-in-pl-or-not" ?



but this is the main point I pick out your quote (about the killing community) and yet you jump to other topic

I still stand by my words tho if people wanna pl let them do it. Most of you was just saying it's stopping people from learning their class or stopping from exping @ an camp when all these examples could happen without pling, if you can't see that then so be it.



You claim no one talks to each other that has been the case since forever tho or could just be your server, also if i wanted to right now if i was on your server i could steal your exp camp without being in a pl pt.

[Shneibel]

I still stand by my words tho if people wanna pl let them do it. Most of you was just saying it's stopping people from learning their class or stopping from exping @ an camp when all these examples could happen without pling, if you can't see that then so be it.



You claim no one talks to each other that has been the case since forever tho or could just be your server, also if i wanted to right now if i was on your server i could steal your exp camp without being in a pl pt.

not only Besaid, that goes to most of server that ppl almost never talk/chat with each other by here I mean /sh or /s, say almost never is wrong, rarely will be more correct.

If people wanna PL let them do it, I for one don't care. If you are so afraid of playing with ppl you might think they don't know how to play their class don't team up with randoms.

that is what I am after

nah not sarcasm it's ignorance.

quote of the truth

[Firon]

I'm just gonna take my leave cause you guys don't even know why you hate pling cause all of your points was/could happen w/o pling in place.

[grandm]

3 more camps taken by PL to that other post I posted earlier. Yes this was all in one day. I even fought back against the PL's for the camp to kick them out.

It's sad when you have to resort to taking a PL camp to effectively level up in a group setting.

i am in no way a supporter of PL'ing, but i do like to keep a balanced view of things. this problem of power levelers camp stealing. sure its not just PL partys. i think i remember camp stealing going on forever now, long before power leveling was a problem

[Firon]

Ok. Any talk about parties/pl 40+. Please leave the room because that's 10 level differences and shouldn't count. ^^

Pre 40:
Solo: 20-30k/hour (easy)
Light: 50-60k/hour
Full: 80-120k/hour (depending on where you're doing it)

PL: 80-200k/hour (depending)

PL PRE 40 isn't as exaggerated as people claim. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I've tested this time and again. I had a full party last night, a light one on the weekend as well. Even tried solo.

Made another character even to see that with leves.

MRD getting abilities balanced is going to kill this PL. Why do you think SE doesn't care? Because it's being fixed another way.

I was not gonna post here again but thank you for the hard facts cause i never got 500k exp from a pl pt in like an hr <.<

[Soukyuu]

It's just like botting. In the sense that it's nothing like botting.

i.e. You don't have to hack your client to either powerlevel or be powerleveled. It's not against the ToS to go AFK, either.

Botting: using a program to get exp while you are doing something else
kick/invite PL: using a person to get exp while you are doing something else

Another indication, what was the last time you saw a bot? Right, because why risk botting if you can just get PLed.

[Rowyne]

Pwrlvl is not the cause of people leaving but it is compounding the issue. About 50% of the content the devs are adding is low level content. There is enough content for low level players to keep busy for months if they play without a pwrlvler.

Now the game has a lack of new players, no one will doubt that... and this game is designed for group play, no one can deny that. New players get the game and cannot get a group and quit soon after. I seen it happen several dozen time. People I know keep telling me they will come back when people start playing together. Everyone being at cap is making the game alot harder to join as a new player, this is primarily caused by pwrlvling most people only had 2-4 50 fighting classes before it was introduced, now most full time players have majority capped levels.

Old players are taking breaks between patches because they finish everything. When in XI it would take literally years to fully cap out a character here it takes only weeks to months. So there is nothing to fill the void in, and spamming the same thing over and over will get boring. They cannot level anymore because everything is capped, and Leveling alts is simply not an option in this game. So less people online, compounds the low server population, which makes people quit because the server populations are too low and it snowballs.

1.18 and 1.19 added all this low level stuff. Tons of quest, low rank dungeons, and various other things. In my linkshell myself and 3 other out of a linkshell of 40 people who are actually still playing the game been to the limsa dungeon. Alot had no clue it existed. Most the ls done none of the quest, many people do not do leves, most have not done the main storyline past a the required level to get class quest. And this is not uncommon. People are not playing the content the game has... because rank < 20 content is pointless when that is literally 15-20mins of pwrlving.

Pwrlvling benefits no one at all. It turns away the majority of new ppl who cannot get pwrleved, and it makes the old players run out of things to do. The low level content is negated... who wants to farm nms or do dungeons for gear that is litteraly outdated in 20mins of pwrlvling.

So pwrlvling has removed the ability to party for the majority of new players, it has caused dedicated players to take breaks (temp quit), and it is making over 50% of what the devs are working and adding obsolete within hours.

There is literally no positives to pwrlvling, I disagree with it is high lvl ppl and low level ppl playing together... it is low level ppl afking or clicking an invite macro every 30secs while a 50 does all the work. That is not playing together. It does remove the grind though, but sitting there for 3-4hrs at a time doing nothing is less fun then grinding.

So none to very very little positives, with potential game breaking negatives with the current pwrlvl system.

The fix is easy... SE needs to enforce the 10lvl gap. Make it where no exploits will get around it. IF it was trully kept to the 10 lvl spread like I believe SE planned for it to be... no one would have an issue with pwrlvling since normal partying would be better in the end.

This is game breaking whether some like it or not is not a valid argument because no one can deny the negatives as we are seeing it now... It is feeding the lack of content which is the bigger problem. If this is not corrected soon or if the devs do not start churning out endgame 5-10fold faster then they are... the existing dedicated playerbase will start to dwindle. Square is helping dig thier own grave with errors like this, I know they have a lot on their plate. But they should not be so blind as to not notice what is happening in-game. This is an oversite, honestly an exploit. I am baffled why it was not emergency patched as soon as it became known. And no one better argue getting kicked from the party to get around the 10 lvl gap limit was intended.

^ This is an amazing post. I agree 100%. I highlighted the parts I felt were most insightful.

Personally, I believe that Level Syncing is a better implementation of all the concepts and benefits in powerleveling (i.e. helping lowbies, earning better XP than soloing, etc) without the negative baggage ... but that's just my opinion.

^ Absolutely agree.

[darkstarpoet1]

Ok. Any talk about parties/pl 40+. Please leave the room because that's 10 level differences and shouldn't count. ^^

Pre 40:
Solo: 20-30k/hour (easy)
Light: 50-60k/hour
Full: 80-120k/hour (depending on where you're doing it)

PL: 80-200k/hour (depending)

PL PRE 40 isn't as exaggerated as people claim. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I've tested this time and again. I had a full party last night, a light one on the weekend as well. Even tried solo.

Made another character even to see that with leves.

MRD getting abilities balanced is going to kill this PL. Why do you think SE doesn't care? Because it's being fixed another way.

if you can only get 80-200k in a pl party then that party is absolutely horrid. there is actually a video that was posted on here in which a guy getting power leveled got over 80k in 6 minutes..............