Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[KyrsIsley]

I am discussing the powerleveling aspect. I'm saying it's irrelevant to the big picture.

That's fine, there's nothing wrong with thinking that power leveling isn't the reason why people are quitting the game.

[Issac]

I am discussing the powerleveling aspect. I'm saying it's irrelevant to the big picture.

Then say just that, as that is your true, clear opinion. And in that, I request we agree to disagree. To me it is a much larger issue than subscription fees. As I said, people have a wide variety of opinions.

[Rowyne]

Then say just that, as that is your true, clear opinion. And in that, I request we agree to disagree. To me it is a much larger issue than subscription fees. As I said, people have a wide variety of opinions.

It's a huge issue to me, as well. While I don't agree with subs being implemented at this point in time, whether or not I choose to pay before 2.0 does not change the fact that I will return with 2.0. I will do that, regardless.

However, if powerleveling, as it exists now, is intended to be implemented in 2.0, I would rather know now because it will influence my decision as to whether or not I will play this game for the long haul. There are plenty of other MMOs that do not allow powerleveling, and focus on low-mid level content as well as endgame. That's the kind of game I would rather play.

[Xatsh]

Pwrlvl is not the cause of people leaving but it is compounding the issue. About 50% of the content the devs are adding is low level content. There is enough content for low level players to keep busy for months if they play without a pwrlvler.

Now the game has a lack of new players, no one will doubt that... and this game is designed for group play, no one can deny that. New players get the game and cannot get a group and quit soon after. I seen it happen several dozen time. People I know keep telling me they will come back when people start playing together. Everyone being at cap is making the game alot harder to join as a new player, this is primarily caused by pwrlvling most people only had 2-4 50 fighting classes before it was introduced, now most full time players have majority capped levels.

Old players are taking breaks between patches because they finish everything. When in XI it would take literally years to fully cap out a character here it takes only weeks to months. So there is nothing to fill the void in, and spamming the same thing over and over will get boring. They cannot level anymore because everything is capped, and Leveling alts is simply not an option in this game. So less people online, compounds the low server population, which makes people quit because the server populations are too low and it snowballs.

1.18 and 1.19 added all this low level stuff. Tons of quest, low rank dungeons, and various other things. In my linkshell myself and 3 other out of a linkshell of 40 people who are actually still playing the game been to the limsa dungeon. Alot had no clue it existed. Most the ls done none of the quest, many people do not do leves, most have not done the main storyline past a the required level to get class quest. And this is not uncommon. People are not playing the content the game has... because rank < 20 content is pointless when that is literally 15-20mins of pwrlving.

Pwrlvling benefits no one at all. It turns away the majority of new ppl who cannot get pwrleved, and it makes the old players run out of things to do. The low level content is negated... who wants to farm nms or do dungeons for gear that is litteraly outdated in 20mins of pwrlvling.

So pwrlvling has removed the ability to party for the majority of new players, it has caused dedicated players to take breaks (temp quit), and it is making over 50% of what the devs are working and adding obsolete within hours.

There is literally no positives to pwrlvling, I disagree with it is high lvl ppl and low level ppl playing together... it is low level ppl afking or clicking an invite macro every 30secs while a 50 does all the work. That is not playing together. It does remove the grind though, but sitting there for 3-4hrs at a time doing nothing is less fun then grinding.

So none to very very little positives, with potential game breaking negatives with the current pwrlvl system.

The fix is easy... SE needs to enforce the 10lvl gap. Make it where no exploits will get around it. IF it was trully kept to the 10 lvl spread like I believe SE planned for it to be... no one would have an issue with pwrlvling since normal partying would be better in the end.

This is game breaking whether some like it or not is not a valid argument because no one can deny the negatives as we are seeing it now... It is feeding the lack of content which is the bigger problem. If this is not corrected soon or if the devs do not start churning out endgame 5-10fold faster then they are... the existing dedicated playerbase will start to dwindle. Square is helping dig thier own grave with errors like this, I know they have a lot on their plate. But they should not be so blind as to not notice what is happening in-game. This is an oversite, honestly an exploit. I am baffled why it was not emergency patched as soon as it became known. And no one better argue getting kicked from the party to get around the 10 lvl gap limit was intended.

[Shneibel]

If people wanna PL let them do it, I for one don't care. If you are so afraid of playing with ppl you might think they don't know how to play their class don't team up with randoms.

First I though this is a sarcasm but it look like you re serious about this. Thank you for add another idea to killing the community

[Firon]

First I though this is a sarcasm but it look like you re serious about this. Thank you for add another idea to killing the community

It's not killing anything people are gonna level classes regardless. People will get all classes to 50 pl or not people will get only the classes they like to 50 pl or not. Yoshi has stated several times he is ok with PL if you don't like it leave. No one was doing the low lvl content before people started pling anyway all these agreements are invalid.

How does a group pling in a exp camp hurt your pt, if a normal pt was there exping then its fine but if a pl pt is there then its wrong that's fail logic to me, cause either way you was not gonna get exp in that spot anyway.

If you do not wanna join a pl pt you can always just make one that does not have a pl people join any type of pt as long as it is good.

[Shneibel]

It's not killing anything people are gonna level classes regardless. People will get all classes to 50 pl or not people will get only the classes they like to 50 pl or not. Yoshi has stated several times he is ok with PL if you don't like it leave. No one was doing the low lvl content before people started pling anyway all these agreements are invalid.

How does a group pling in a exp hurt your pt, if a normal pt was there exping then its fine but if a pl pt is there then its wrong that's fail logic to me, cause either way you was not gonna get exp in that spot anyway.

right....first the community in game barely talk with each other, and now you suggest that they should not party with random (the no ls or other ls) as well mean you suggest that ppl should only play with their ls and stop play with other ppl outside (at least that s what I get from the "dont-team-up-with-random"), how is it for not killing community ? are you blind or you refuse to see that ?

and hell the PL hurt my pt:

They stole our camp and we have to fought back to get the camp back = waste of time.
If we are being nice ( I am) then I ll go for other camp = waste of time.
Take 1h to for a freaking MRD for pt and when you arrive at camp you see the class you were looked for is PL

How does it hurt my pt ? you seriously asking that question that had been point out for the last 2-3 pages after your reply that I quote ?

[Firon]

right....first the community in game barely talk with each other, and now you suggest that they should not party with random (the no ls or other ls) as well mean you suggest that ppl should only play with their ls and stop play with other ppl outside (at least that s what I get from the "dont-team-up-with-random"), how is it for not killing community ? are you blind or you refuse to see that ?

and hell the PL hurt my pt:

They stole our camp and we have to fought back to get the camp back = waste of time.
If we are being nice ( I am) then I ll go for other camp = waste of time.
Take 1h to for a freaking MRD for pt and when you arrive at camp you see the class you were looked for is PL

How does it hurt my pt ? you seriously asking that question that had been point out for the last 2-3 pages after your reply that I quote ?

That is called bad behavior any normal pt could steal your camp that point is moot. If you don't want a pl pt then don't party with ppl who want pl i can find plenty of pt's that don't have pl's in them you guys are just over reacting. Yoshi-p is on board with pl if you don't like don't be a part of it.

Now if you guys was saying Yoshi-p can you get rid of the bug where if an LVL 50 player grabs 20 mobs then is invited to an lower lvl party and exp is not reduced then yes i have no problem with that you guys just want pling gone just to be gone, and making false statements about small stuff that happens w/o pling

[Sorel]

Now if you guys was saying Yoshi-p can you get rid of the bug where if an LVL 50 player grabs 20 mobs then is invited to an lower lvl party and exp is not reduced then yes i have no problem with that you guys just want pling gone just to be gone, and making false statements about small stuff that happens w/o pling

I believe the highlighted would be an effective solution (I also believe DarkStarPoet is the advocate of such a solution). Light Party and Full Party should be the most effective source of XP in the game. Once that becomes true again, grind-parties will be prevalent again.

[Firon]

I believe the highlighted would be an effective solution (I also believe DarkStarPoet is the advocate of such a solution). Light Party and Full Party should be the most effective source of XP in the game. Once that becomes true again, grind-parties will be prevalent again.

I agree with you but most of them are just screaming how someone getting pled ruins their game, even if they fix this problem, people are still gonna pl regardless cause then you only have to kill the mobs outside the party.