SCH needs some nerfs

[CreinCrein]

SCH is overrepresented and also the king of healer dps even before you factor in Chain rDPS. A disparity this large is indicative of an imbalance, like when AST was underrepresented compared to both original healers before the Balance buff or (for a more recent example) before Malefic cast time reductions and the Lightspped buff.

If you can't be bothered to look at numbers then this isn't a conversation worth having.



This is flawed logic that operates on the premise that AST/SCH is the preferred comp because they are equally good. You can squash this by just looking at the rates at which groups run SCH/WHM versus WHM/AST. If a group has a WHM they basically aren't looking at AST because the question isn't "What healers are we taking?" but rather "Who is healing with the SCH?"

I agree AST is well balanced right now and that WHM is lagging behind but to ignore the gap between AST and SCH is like overlooking the grand canyon to focus on a ditch.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...ers&dataset=99

Diurnal Astrologian is top in terms of personal dps while also almost equal if not more rdps than a scholar; hardly balanced. Scholar is also hardly balanced in comparison to whm; is this their fault? Probably not. The game is designed around minimizing GCDs healing done by optimizing your usage of resourceless OGCDs. WHM has extremely weak resourceless healing OGCDs compared to the other healers, and are over reliant on their GCDs to cover damage. They also have the problem of having a useless job mechanic (lilies), while also at the same time are falling behind on damage because of the mobility given to astro. It also doesn't help that encounter designs are also practically catered to AST/SCH cooldowns this tier. The core identity of whm ("big heals") also doesn't work with how the metagame is played.

[MoroMurasaki]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...ers&dataset=99

Diurnal Astrologian is top in terms of personal dps while also almost equal if not more rdps than a scholar; hardly balanced. Scholar is also hardly balanced in comparison to whm; is this their fault? Probably not. The game is designed around minimizing GCDs healing done by optimizing your usage of resourceless OGCDs. WHM has extremely weak resourceless healing OGCDs compared to the other healers, and are over reliant on their GCDs to cover damage. They also have the problem of having a useless job mechanic (lilies), while also at the same time are falling behind on damage because of the mobility given to astro. It also doesn't help that encounter designs are also practically catered to AST/SCH cooldowns this tier. The core identity of whm ("big heals") also doesn't work with how the metagame is played.

In that link there are 42k SCH uploads versus the 27k WHM ones and 28k AST ones. For comparison there are slightly more than 13k uploads without a SCH present. If we assume more or less no doubles which I think is fair that means there is a SCH present in roughly 77% of uploaded logs.

I feel like this speaks for it's self. It is completely broken.

[Brightamethyst]

If we assume more or less no doubles which I think is fair that means there is a SCH present in roughly 77% of uploaded logs.

I feel like this speaks for it's self. It is completely broken.

There are only three healers. Even if there was perfect balance you'd expect SCHs to be in ~66% of groups (assuming no doubling up.) SCH numbers are higher, but not THAT much higher. It's definitely strong, but "completely broken" seems like overkill.