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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    I said I was okay with a nerf, but not an absurd nerf because it is asked, but something consistant, so, as long as they don't have a general idea of how to properly balance classes, I prefer scholar to stay as is and adjust it later. (to have strong bases from where to start their adjustment)
    For example, currently, even with potencies fixes, it won't make Noct.Ast suddently better.

    I'm talking about the skill ceiling.
    Sch need far more knowledge and micro managment than the other 2 to reach its maximum potential, which are good use of both fairy CD and AF to maximize miasma II weaving, energy drain and Broil spam.
    That's not something I put on his head because I want to.

    Take the miasma II case for example. You said they can endlessly do that to weave. It's not if you don't use energy drain a lot and plan your AF heals accordingly with your co-healer and have mana support from refresh.

    However, Miasma II was not meant to be used in ST to begin with, that is true. People where asking for an aoe filler because of how terrible it was to spam Broil after Bane/dots on a huge pack.
    But they felt a bit lazy about that they just took an old existing skill and ajusted potencies.
    I'm talking about it because that's one of the reason its DPS jumped higher, but even so, you still can't do it all day without a bit of planning and support (except if you have a ton of piety maybe)
    This is your opinion on the SCH ceiling. Opinions are like butts, everyone has one. Also unless they stole Ruin II when I wasn't looking SCH doesn't rely solely on Miasma II for its infinite weaving.

    I get that you don't want them to nerf SCH but so far you have yet to provide any compelling reasons why. It seems like you're attempting to downplay it's strengths but logs speak for themselves.

    SCH is overrepresented and also the king of healer dps even before you factor in Chain rDPS. A disparity this large is indicative of an imbalance, like when AST was underrepresented compared to both original healers before the Balance buff or (for a more recent example) before Malefic cast time reductions and the Lightspped buff.

    If you can't be bothered to look at numbers then this isn't a conversation worth having.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post

    For me AST and SCH are very well balanced now, they are built on the concept that healers do more than healing, and they are designed that way.
    WHM still falls behind for the numerous reasons we already know. It would be a shame to ruin one or two well designed classes because the third one has been left behind, as of course it's easier to nerf than buff and balance...
    This is flawed logic that operates on the premise that AST/SCH is the preferred comp because they are equally good. You can squash this by just looking at the rates at which groups run SCH/WHM versus WHM/AST. If a group has a WHM they basically aren't looking at AST because the question isn't "What healers are we taking?" but rather "Who is healing with the SCH?"

    I agree AST is well balanced right now and that WHM is lagging behind but to ignore the gap between AST and SCH is like overlooking the grand canyon to focus on a ditch.
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 10-31-2018 at 12:36 AM.