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    Anyway, he never actually said this had anything to do with PvP.

    He said he will explain it later. For me, that is unacceptable. I can see no rational reason for this. It is yet another in a long list of bad design decisions without any explanation.

    He should have just told us why now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    Anyway, he never actually said this had anything to do with PvP.

    He said he will explain it later. For me, that is unacceptable. I can see no rational reason for this. It is yet another in a long list of bad design decisions without any explanation.

    He should have just told us why now.
    If it was ready now, wouldn't you be reading it now sometimes I think your brain is a little off....
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    Last edited by Firon; 12-14-2011 at 07:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    If it was ready now wouldn't you be reading it now sometimes I think your brain is a little off....
    Your statement makes little if any sense. Yoshida knows why he wants to do it. He could have easily just told us. He doesn't have to finish making it to know what it's supposed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    Your statement makes little if any sense. Yoshida knows why he wants to do it. He could have easily just told us. He doesn't have to finish making it to know what it's supposed to do.
    The statement was "he is writing" not "he will write" or "he plans to write". Can't you wait a bit for an explanation on a purposed change that won't be seen for, at least, another 2 months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    He said he will explain it later. For me, that is unacceptable. I can see no rational reason for this. It is yet another in a long list of bad design decisions without any explanation.

    He should have just told us why now.
    I don't normally defend the dev team, but I will on this one.

    1. It didn't even have to be addressed. The dev team has made plenty of changes in the past with no explanation. Be glad they're taking the time.

    2. The post is a long explanation, which means the reason fits into a grand design. It sounds like a simple answer won't suffice.

    3. They're not taking enough heat for 1.20 being delayed? It's not like Yoshi-P is sitting on his hands right now. He's got a lot on his plate. I would much rather they concentrate on getting 1.20 out than explain an upcoming DoM battle change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowyne View Post
    I don't normally defend the dev team, but I will on this one.

    1. It didn't even have to be addressed. The dev team has made plenty of changes in the past with no explanation. Be glad they're taking the time.

    2. The post is a long explanation, which means the reason fits into a grand design. It sounds like a simple answer won't suffice.

    3. They're not taking enough heat for 1.20 being delayed? It's not like Yoshi-P is sitting on his hands right now. He's got a lot on his plate. I would much rather they concentrate on getting 1.20 out than explain an upcoming DoM battle change.
    This...

    and to add
    4. His first language is Japanese, once he writes his explanation, the English, German and French language people need to re-write it to make sure the message is conveyed properly...
    --example the quick explanation Rukkirii gave us on Yoshi's original response was quickly translated and therefore left some confusion. (I'm confused too...and not really sure if they mean you can semi-chainspell now by moving....that can't be what they intended/meant)

    We can continue to debate what Yoshi P. meant and what the vision is, or we can wait until he has the time to get it out to us clearly (and he usually is a very clear person).

    Lastly, this isn't changing when we get patch 1.20. It is changing in a booster patch (1.20a or 1.20b). So he DOES have plently of time to explain and we have plenty of time to absorb the new change/reasons behind it before it goes live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinseykinz View Post
    This...

    and to add
    4. His first language is Japanese, once he writes his explanation, the English, German and French language people need to re-write it to make sure the message is conveyed properly...
    --example the quick explanation Rukkirii gave us on Yoshi's original response was quickly translated and therefore left some confusion. (I'm confused too...and not really sure if they mean you can semi-chainspell now by moving....that can't be what they intended/meant)

    We can continue to debate what Yoshi P. meant and what the vision is, or we can wait until he has the time to get it out to us clearly (and he usually is a very clear person).

    Lastly, this isn't changing when we get patch 1.20. It is changing in a booster patch (1.20a or 1.20b). So he DOES have plently of time to explain and we have plenty of time to absorb the new change/reasons behind it before it goes live.
    ok so they may never have intended to fix mages in place while casting. but now they know what would have happened if they had. lol ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    For me, that is unacceptable. I can see no rational reason for this. It is yet another in a long list of bad design decisions without any explanation.
    You do realize that even if you do not see a reason for it, there might very well be, (and most likely there actually is) a solid motivation for his decision, at the very least from his perspective? You're behaving like those children that just will not bother to try to fathom their parents decisions without first yelling back at them, daring to think they instantly know better and see all the angles.

    In their case, which is not yours, we call it immaturity. But it has another name in the realm of adults.

    There are some people that will never understand that because they own a body, it doesn't obligatorily follow that they know how it works; or that doing well at fantasy football really doesn't warrant them a career as football coaches. Playing MMOs, even tons of them, doesn't automatically make you a game developer.

    Perhaps we should constantly remind ourselves of all this, and at every post, try to speak from a player's perspective. Let's try to yield only our experience and opinions which are those of gamers, not designers, or logistics coordinators, or producers, or directors. However, I think there will always be those that will hector the developers about how stupid their every decision is, without noticing for a second that the real stupidity lies elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutelor View Post
    Playing MMOs, even tons of them, doesn't automatically make you a game developer.
    It may not make him a game developer, but it does make him a game consumer. You don't have to be a musician to know what you like in music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyRae View Post
    It may not make him a game developer, but it does make him a game consumer. You don't have to be a musician to know what you like in music.
    And funny enough, knowing what you like in music allows you to choose which music you purchase NOT in how the music was created or what direction the creators of the music will take in their developmental process of their next work of art.

    Quite simply; you don't buy music you don't like.
    More to the point: You don't purchase a game you don't enjoy or think is flawed.

    In either case: The consumer has no say in what is best for a musician or a game developer and the process in which they arrive at their final products.

    People tend to think that just because there is an official forum for FFXIV it means they can say whatever they want, no matter how abusive it is to other members of the community and developers. Giving feedback is one thing, and it is what the forums are here for, but in the end the developers have the creative rights to this MMO, not us... Which usually ends up in situations where certain members of this community forget who they are and think they can say just about anything they want to just to try and prove that their idea/way of thinking is the best and only way to think. They usually arrive at irrational notions such as the developers being ill equipped to create a game people will enjoy, or that other community members are inept because they don't share the same sentiment....It's silly really.
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