Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[Cabalabob]

I think they should be Dyable
But be a lesser design
Like prototype alexander and savage Alex
So there is still difference between savage gear and normal gear and still incentive to get a nicer version
Or
They can be upgraded(to be dyed not ilevel/stats) with like 50 nq raid items springs ,lens,pedal
Etc etc

Just leave weapons and mounts for final savage tier

And then there will be thread asking for the normal mode to drop the savage looking set.

It’s really quite simple, the dyable version of gear is savage specific so people who want it will do savage after the “highest ilvl” becomes outdated. Tell me, if they made the genta set dyable, what reason come 5.0 is there to do deltascape savage anymore? You can get the same reward with a different name and the story all from normal mode. Ilvl doesn’t matter because by 5.0 we can buy higher ilvl gear from a vendor.

If you want the reward, do the content that gives the reward. I too really want the genji gear for a dyable set but there’s no way I’d ever advocate for them to just make the genta set dyable instead.

[BillyKaplan]

Tell me, if they made the genta set dyable, what reason come 5.0 is there to do deltascape savage anymore?

Minions, orchestrion rolls, and mounts. Also crafting materials. You know, same thing as extreme primals after their prime.

[Duskane]

its just odd that something as simple as dying gear is an incentive to do a harder mode,
im not saying just hand out the ability to dye straight away on patch day like savage
i dno there's a better way to deal with it other then adding more undyable stuff in the game

Minions, orchestrion rolls, and mounts. Also crafting materials. You know, same thing as extreme primals after their prime.

also achievements
Minions are a strong incentive Ive seen people go through a8s just for that wind up faust more then the glamor it has

[Vidu]

its just odd that something as simple as dying gear is an incentive to do a harder mode,
im not saying just hand out the ability to dye straight away on patch day like savage
i dno there's a better way to deal with it other then adding more undyable stuff in the game

also achievements
Minions are a strong incentive Ive seen people go through a8s just for that wind up faust more then the glamor it has

"Its odd that something as simple as a minion is an incentive to do a harder mode!"

Different people care for different things and different incentives work for different people. The fact that threads like this pop up every now and then clearly shows that people are intrested in dyeing their gear, so even if you consider that something "simple", its clearly something people want and can therefor be an incentive to do Savage.

I didnt went into A8S for the minion. I went there for a dyeable tankcoat. Incentive "dyeable gear" - clearly worked on me!

...I mean... if you want less non-dyeable stuff added to the game - how would you feel about just removing the non-dyeable gear alltogether and just have the NM without drops?
Because there has to be a better way than taking every reward out of Savage raids and adding it to the NM - Savage raids lost the story (my strongest incentive to raid in Coil), minions are dropping now in NM, songs come from NM, the general gear-model comes from NM, you get achievments for NM just as much as for Savage...
We're pretty much left with dyeable gear, a mount and a second rounds of achievments (that dont even give a title or something).

[Duskane]

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ive unsync'd both a8s (gavel skip) and a12s gotten my gear what ever sure i understand the the incentive to do it
but i dont think there should be a problem for having both NM and Savage sets dyable they should just dye differently
like proto alex is different enough that they should be dyable while savage alex has all extra bits giving that incentive to do (also mounts and weapon glamor always be a incentive) savage for that set of the gear,
kinda like with Zeta weapons and Nightsteel weapons
there is still benefits to getting a Zeta weapons after the hard work even with nightsteel being there

this would also add an incentive to do the normal 8 man raids again

OP just wants them dye able
not the exact same set as savage

[Vidu]

OP just wants them dye able
not the exact same set as savage

1) They didnt say that - from all we know they very much want the gear dying the same way the Savage gear does
2) Lets say, they do that - add two different sets of this gear, dying in different ways. How long do you think it would take for people to come here and ask to have the Savage gear available to them without doing Savage again, because they like the way it dyes better?

We have a saying in german "Someone asks for your little finger, yet takes the full hand" - people who have no intrest in Savage but want the rewards have been pretending to ask for the little finger for quite a while now, while they've already taken both hands and arms, the head, the torso and are now looking at the left leg.
You have story, gear, minions and music - and yet you're not happy, because you want it all and are only willing to leave scraps that you're not that intrested in in Savage.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit strong or harsh, but I really, really had it with requests like these and "compromises" you offer, because they're not needed.
Want the stuff? Do the content.

I dont want some sort of made up replacement reward, just as much as I dont want some after thought gear-designs for male characters.

[Edax]

1) They didnt say that - from all we know they very much want the gear dying the same way the Savage gear does
2) Lets say, they do that - add two different sets of this gear, dying in different ways. How long do you think it would take for people to come here and ask to have the Savage gear available to them without doing Savage again, because they like the way it dyes better?

We have a saying in german "Someone asks for your little finger, yet takes the full hand" - people who have no intrest in Savage but want the rewards have been pretending to ask for the little finger for quite a while now, while they've already taken both hands and arms, the head, the torso and are now looking at the left leg.
You have story, gear, minions and music - and yet you're not happy, because you want it all and are only willing to leave scraps that you're not that intrested in in Savage.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit strong or harsh, but I really, really had it with requests like these and "compromises" you offer, because they're not needed.
Want the stuff? Do the content.

I dont want some sort of made up replacement reward, just as much as I dont want some after thought gear-designs for male characters.

I call BS. The only sets of Samurai armor in the game are locked behind Deltascape. I'd gladly give up the gear lvl, minions and music to be able to fully dye the one set of Samurai armor in the game. Samurai armor shouldn't have even been locked behind the raids to begin with as most of the game takes place IN THE LAND OF SAMURAI.

[Lilseph]

ive unsync'd both a8s (gavel skip) and a12s gotten my gear what ever sure i understand the the incentive to do it

There ya go. Do it when you can faceroll it.

Nowdays it's the exact same set for both versions except one is dyable. Alexandrian gear was the only instance that I remember where the sets were slightly different.

[Duskane]

There ya go. Do it when you can faceroll it.

Nowdays it's the exact same set for both versions except one is dyable. Alexandrian gear was the only instance that I remember where the sets were slightly different.

yes alexander was the only one that actually differs
but always could be a idea in the future who knows