Alphascape is AMAZING! (Spoilers!)

[RiyahArp]

eh, no offense but the raiders would like it, Hyo, It feels tuned a bit more for them. You kind of got your wish for harder casual content, but to me it was a slog, especially the last fight with its mechanics vomit and high damage. I mean come on, 30k raid damage in a casual fight at that pace? I think they mentioned at that dengeki interview or somewhere they gave these fights to the newbies, and had to redesign one, and it shows. I don't see myself bothering with it often.

[KaivaC]

eh, no offense but the raiders would like it, Hyo, It feels tuned a bit more for them. You kind of got your wish for harder casual content, but to me it was a slog, especially the last fight with its mechanics vomit and high damage. I mean come on, 30k raid damage in a casual fight at that pace? I think they mentioned at that dengeki interview or somewhere they gave these fights to the newbies, and had to redesign one, and it shows. I don't see myself bothering with it often.

Why are you doing this? Is it really necessary to come into a thread celebrating content that quite a few of us actually enjoy? Please, let's not turn this into another raider-versus-casual debate here. I will also finish this post by saying that I do not intend to continue on this because I don't want to derail Moro's thread, but sorry, I couldn't keep my mouth shut on this one.

[HyoMinPark]

eh, no offense but the raiders would like it, Hyo, It feels tuned a bit more for them. You kind of got your wish for harder casual content, but to me it was a slog, especially the last fight with its mechanics vomit and high damage. I mean come on, 30k raid damage in a casual fight at that pace? I think they mentioned at that dengeki interview or somewhere they gave these fights to the newbies, and had to redesign one, and it shows. I don't see myself bothering with it often.

You seem to have missed where I said I was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed Alphascape. I've had zero interest in the final raid tier due to no Ultimate in 4.51 to prep for, but V12N renewed my interest and now I'm eager to get to it in Savage. Unlike before where I didn't care. This was a good thing.

I'm sorry that I disagree with casual content being "Press X and Win". Don't derail a thread with your complaints (though I knew they would be inevitable once I went through NM). I don't understand your purpose with regards to replying to me... unless you're just looking to start another argument? If you want to debate it with me, my Discord is in my signature. I'm not going to derail a thread celebrating content that turned out better than I personally thought it would be.

[MoroMurasaki]

eh, no offense but the raiders would like it, Hyo, It feels tuned a bit more for them. You kind of got your wish for harder casual content, but to me it was a slog, especially the last fight with its mechanics vomit and high damage. I mean come on, 30k raid damage in a casual fight at that pace? I think they mentioned at that dengeki interview or somewhere they gave these fights to the newbies, and had to redesign one, and it shows. I don't see myself bothering with it often.

I agree it's a lot to handle. My group wiped to it a few times on my first run then I went back with VanilleFang (previously of the forums, rip friendo) and even with me explaining mechanics (after I was asked to) we wiped a few more times.

It's definitely tuned around the idea that healers either need to know the fight or keep people topped off. I don't think that's bad but I also wouldn't want to force you to do it. It's not your cup of tea but does it have to be?

I guess basically my sentiment is like... let us have this one? Apart from Guardian on release none of the normal raids have had any bite to them. It's really refreshing. I know it's going to put some people off but at least it's different people being put off by it for once.

[RiyahArp]

II guess basically my sentiment is like... let us have this one? Apart from Guardian on release none of the normal raids have had any bite to them. It's really refreshing. I know it's going to put some people off but at least it's different people being put off by it for once.

Have to see how it is long term. The issue is once it's no longer new, people start leaving after one or two wipes. Wait and see I guess, if it works. Kind of worried that it wont age well, usually for normal modes, even Guardian, i feel more motivated to do better. Or at least to replay the content to get it down. This I don't mind skipping, I guess.

I honestly don't get why people always want content that is just faceroll and start complaining as soon as it gets a bit more challenging.

Because we're supposed to repeat it over and over as a form of content. The challenge gets old after so many times.

[Ilan]

Because we're supposed to repeat it over and over as a form of content. The challenge gets old after so many times.

The challenge won't be a challenge anymore if you repeat it over and over because you'll get used to it. So unless you'll loose your complete memory of a fight as soon as you log out it will get easier and easier.

[MoroMurasaki]

Have to see how it is long term. The issue is once it's no longer new, people start leaving after one or two wipes. Wait and see I guess, if it works. Kind of worried that it wont age well, usually for normal modes, even Guardian, i feel more motivated to do better. Or at least to replay the content to get it down. This I don't mind skipping, I guess.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to wind up like Shinryu - a thing where some people apparently see all these wipes and disbands and I'm just sitting here wondering how that happens.

I will acqueise that if you get a party that is just too weak o12 might become impassable. Honestly the same can be said for any content, the threshold for what constitutes a party that is 'too weak' is just a hair broader in this case. While I regret that this means some people are going to have a hard time with it I feel like the vast majority will be fine especially as the playerbase as a whole learns the mechanics and gears up. Right now the supeecasual people that might be finding this to be a wall for them are also in the worst position in terms of gear, some attempting the fights at more or less minimum item level. Gear won't ever fully supplant mechanical knowledge or experience but it can go a long way. Look at Shinryu now.

I think it's important to note that the challenge frankly isn't going to exist for many of us after a few weeks of doing this, especially if we farm the minion. While this is an amazing normal raid it's still a cakewalk compared to almost any savage encounter (looking at you Alte Roite) so the idea that the challenge won't age well is kind of moot. The challenge dies.

On the up side many will still be doing it for Crystalloids for a long time to come and if you roll through here in a month or two when there are a bunch of raiders in your party decked out in gear I think you'll find that the challenge is significantly reduced. No matter how cool the fight is it can't stand up to the gear nerf. You'll get your easier version, just wait a bit.

[Ilan]

eh, no offense but the raiders would like it, Hyo, It feels tuned a bit more for them. You kind of got your wish for harder casual content, but to me it was a slog, especially the last fight with its mechanics vomit and high damage. I mean come on, 30k raid damage in a casual fight at that pace? I think they mentioned at that dengeki interview or somewhere they gave these fights to the newbies, and had to redesign one, and it shows. I don't see myself bothering with it often.

Lets see i enjoy it and i'm not a raider. What now?

We were 2 people yesterday and we cleared all fights with random DF groups and besides V12 everything went down after max. 2 wipes. Do you have to be aware of your surroundings in there? Yes. Do you have to pay attention to your party members? Yes. Is it to hard for casual players? 100% not. I honestly don't get why people always want content that is just faceroll and start complaining as soon as it gets a bit more challenging.

New players will go in there and fail more or less often but if they are not the ragequitting type they will get enough practice to beat this fight easily.