We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

—raiders get the best gear because they’re beating the hardest content; non-raiders do not need raid-tier gear if they aren’t raiding simply because the content is not tuned highly enough for it.
When I feel like I have to repeat myself multiple times to the same person, that’s when I feel like what I type isn’t being read. Not because I’m some arrogant person who thinks everyone should sing my posts like they sing hymns, like what you’re insinuating I am.

And I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content. Is this opinion of mine suppose to change because you've "explained" it to me or that you've repeated it to me again and again? I'll say it again, I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content. You don't need to tell me to re-read your posts.

If it'll help, I stop talking about raid gear on this thread. I have other issues with the game, I'd rather not get stuck on this one point.

[HyoMinPark]

And I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content. Is this opinion of mine suppose to change because you've "explained" it to me or that you've repeated it to me again and again? I'll say it again, I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content. You don't need to tell me to re-read your posts.

If it'll help, I stop talking about raid gear on this thread. I have other issues with the game, I'd rather not get stuck on this one point.

Okay, and why should the raiders not get the best gear because they beat the hardest content? Why do you feel this way?

I have to respectfully disagree simply because rewarding players the best gear for completing the current Expert dungeon does not fall within a reasonable reward for the amount of effort one put into the content, in my opinion. Expert roulette isn't tuned as high as Savage, so why should the rewards from it be an equivalent of Savage rewards?

[Edax]

Okay, and why should the raiders not get the best gear because they beat the hardest content? Why do you feel this way?

I have to respectfully disagree simply because rewarding players the best gear for completing the current Expert dungeon does not fall within a reasonable reward for the amount of effort one put into the content, in my opinion. Expert roulette isn't tuned as high as Savage, so why should the rewards from it be an equivalent of Savage rewards?

No, for the sake of tranquility, I'm moving on from that topic. I've adequate stated my opinions on that topic and every else is free to consider what I said for themselves. An alternative to the status quo can exist.

[HyoMinPark]

No, for the sake of tranquility, I'm moving on from that topic. I've adequate stated my opinions on that topic and every else is free to consider what I said for themselves. An alternative to the status quo can exist.

I’ve already stated what I feel about alternative methods for obtaining gear. But you can’t just state an opinion and not give a why to it, and then attempt to shut down discussion when prompted for a reason. That’s not wanting to have a discussion, that’s wanting an echo chamber; why even state your opinion at all if you aren’t willing to discuss it or even state why you have it?

[Dualgunner]

No, for the sake of tranquility, I'm moving on from that topic. I've adequate stated my opinions on that topic and every else is free to consider what I said for themselves. An alternative to the status quo can exist.

So, you're ceding? Because if we're just going to play the "I can say what I want and not defend it" game...

Raiders deserve the best equipment from raids.

[Edax]

So, you're ceding? Because if we're just going to play the "I can say what I want and not defend it" game...

Raiders deserve the best equipment from raids.

I've already deconstructed the system and pointed to Old School Runescape as an successful example of an MMORPG doesn't use this system at all. And others on this thread and deconstructed the concept of "difficulty" in gaming. I'm already under the impression that many here have strong opinions about the system. I cannot invalidate their opinions and they cannot invalidate mine. If I'm going to just restate what I've already stated on this forum, then we'll just go around in circles.

As I recall, this raids-having-the-best-gear system was not in Old School Runescape. In fact, the problems I have in this game were problems I did not have in Runescape. There weren't such content dry patches and there was almost always room for self improvement in the game in so many different ways. If you wanted some of the best armor in the game, you could just buy it. Yes, there were some quest requirements and some combat requirements to wear them, but it was hardly a system where the players that did the most difficult content only got to have the special best stuff in the game. There were many ways you could acquire Dragon armor in that game, it all required a grind but you could choose to grind in the best way you saw fit. You could have fought the monster that dropped them for yourself, you could have mined, blacksmithed, lumberjacked or whatever to get the capital needed to buy that armor.
This spiritbonding armor system from loot drops is not a core foundation of a MMO. Neither is raiding.

Well, if nobody in the MMO world ever really deviated from that norm (as per your experiences), can we really tell if changing it would not work?

There's little theoretical reason why it shouldn't. The reason why difficulty options arose in gaming is because the skill level of the playerbase varies. If you tune the difficulty to easy, more skilled players get bored. By adding a harder difficulty, you do nothing for less skilled players, but your higher skilled players no longer get (as) bored and thus derive more enjoyment from your game.

If that is the case, it begs the question why higher rewards are needed to compensate for higher enjoyment. And if that is not the case, it begs the question why you add a higher difficulty in the first place.

Conclusion: People are weird.

[Seddrinth]

Okay, and why should the raiders not get the best gear because they beat the hardest content? Why do you feel this way?

I have to respectfully disagree simply because rewarding players the best gear for completing the current Expert dungeon does not fall within a reasonable reward for the amount of effort one put into the content, in my opinion. Expert roulette isn't tuned as high as Savage, so why should the rewards from it be an equivalent of Savage rewards?

It's because he wants the gear but 1) he doesn't want to put in the effort to clear savage and/or 2) he doesn't have the ability to do it. He wants the gear but doesn't want to earn it so he whines on the forum about it.

[Miste]

And I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content. Is this opinion of mine suppose to change because you've "explained" it to me or that you've repeated it to me again and again? I'll say it again, I don't agree raiders should get the best gear for beating the hardest content.

Everyone can have their opinions and if you don't want to change it then whatever, but people might point out that it doesn't make any sense...

It doesn't make any sense.