White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Kaurhz]

Hehe, you caught my post after I deleted it, but it's ok humor you for just one moment.

Toxic entitlement in that when people see items that hold extra value for doing something hard/important/timelimited/etc. being given basically for free are actually defending it being given out for free. you say you yourself don't care. If you REALLY didn't care why would you argue for it to be given for free?

Some food for thought champ. Deep down inside you do care that people are considered special for doing something you can't, so that is why you don't defend the idea that exclusive items should remain exclusive to those who actually did the content the right way.

Well I'm glad I'm getting humoured. Admittedly an overindulgence in this particular thread.

Why would I argue for it being given for free? Probably because it's a commemorative item, that in the eyes of some logical folk would be seen as celebrating the events that they witnessed, that's my only defence for it. Whether or not they're handed out and how easily obtainable they shall be will be judgement that I withhold until I've, you know, participated in the event?

I care if someone has a car, and I don't. I care if my friends get a Distinction on their Master's course and I don't. I care whether I have a menial job or not whilst my previous friends are working successful jobs. I care if I get the Cirina minion or not. Those are things I would care about. Do I care if someone has an earring that I don't? Probably not because my cute Au Ra's horns completely overshadow any earrings I equip which is unfortunate. Even if they didn't I still wouldn't care because the only earrings I want, or care about are from Proto-Ultima in Dun Scaith. I will state it again. My only extent in caring with this discussion is only about the idea of them using something commemorative to celebrate an anniversary. You know like people generally do? Whether they done it with a Nael minion, or something else is an entirely different matter which has not come to pass. If you wonder why I don't support the idea of naming it replica is simply because it develops the silly mentality that anything called replica is ok being handed out as a freebie. Not to mention it is Just an earring something which many won't even bother looking at.

[Aviars]

Why would I argue for it being given for free? Probably because it's a commemorative item, that in the eyes of some logical folk would be seen as celebrating the events that they witnessed, that's my only defence for it. Whether or not they're handed out and how easily obtainable they shall be will be judgement that I withhold until I've, you know, participated in the event?

It was a item given to people for doing a specific fight that was considered the hardest content. For you to equate it as a commemorative object is disingenuous.

Not to mention it is Just an earring something which many won't even bother looking at.

Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

I don't intend to use them, but deserving them or not is beside the point as they'll be made available. Your feelings about that are immaterial. Regardless, the point is that players who require the game to manage their emotions for them and are highly sensitive to game changes that may potentially diminish their self-worth are in fact a blight on MMORPGs and if it comes down to catering to them or cutting them loose, the game is probably better off cutting them loose.

You saying you deserve them for nothing is immaterial. People are argueing that this shouldn't happen because people don't deserve it outside of doing what they were meant for. You are saying it should just because.

[Nixxe]

ou saying you deserve them for nothing is immaterial. People are argueing that this shouldn't happen because people don't deserve it outside of doing what they were meant for. You are saying it should just because.

This reads like you didn't actually understand my point and settled for mirroring the language I used in the hopes that you could turn it around on me.

The envious souls in this thread are doing what exactly?

Oh, right. Exactly what you described because an item exists that isn't available. Someone earned it when it was available and they didn't know about it or weren't even playing and it really burns their bottoms.

"I have to have it because it's in the game, they wouldn't add it to the game if they didn't want me to have it!"

Admittedly, I haven't read every post in this thread. Could you point out even one post in this thread that is like that without any exaggeration on your part?

[Tsalmaveth]

This reads like you didn't actually understand my point and settled for mirroring the language I used in the hopes that you could turn it around on me.

It's actually pretty hilarious that they, in general, are now trying to turn things around to make it sound like people who are coming to say 'why are you throwing a fit about this' are the ones that are throwing the fit. The ones who compared pixels in a game to stolen valor....

Yeeeah.

[Tiraelina]

Admittedly, I haven't read every post in this thread. Could you point out even one post in this thread that is like that without any exaggeration on your part?

It was just describing envy, that really isn't an exaggeration. I'm not going out of my way to break a rule naming someone. There's already been collectors complaining they couldn't get them after seeing someone else had them/finding out they exist. Practically every post calling 1.0 players entitled for wanting something the developers themselves stated was never coming back in the future, as an incentive to stay subscribed during 1.0. I really can't post that enough it seems, yet some want to try to re-interpret a simple statement like ARR wasn't even guaranteed to happen at that point (tip: it was long since in production at that point). The producer (now executive) being incapable of keeping his, and the team he represents, promises should mean something to everyone playing.

Even besides that. Everyone that's getting bent out of shape trying to downplay a limited pair of earrings someone else earned. "Why are you getting upset over some pixels?" No, why are you arguing over someone else's pixels if they are supposedly so meaningless.

[Nixxe]

It was just describing envy, that really isn't an exaggeration. I'm not going out of my way to break a rule naming someone. There's already been collectors complaining they couldn't get them after seeing someone else had them/finding out they exist. Practically every post calling 1.0 players entitled for wanting something the developers themselves stated was never coming back in the future, as an incentive to stay subscribed during 1.0. I really can't post that enough it seems, yet some want to try to re-interpret a simple statement like ARR wasn't even guaranteed to happen at that point (tip: it was long since in production at that point). The producer (now executive) being incapable of keeping his, and the team he represents, promises should mean something to everyone playing.

Even besides that. Everyone that's getting bent out of shape trying to downplay a limited pair of earrings someone else earned. "Why are you getting upset over some pixels?" No, why are you arguing over someone else's pixels if they are supposedly so meaningless.

Perhaps I'm missing it, but I don't see these earrings named in that post, either explicitly or implicitly. It simply says there will be exclusives. In fact, it seems to point towards getting to experience the content and a goobbue mount as the exclusive thanks.

Also, if it isn't clear by now, I'm not arguing over pixels, at least not per se. I am arguing against a particular attitude that I think is a rather cancerous element in MMORPGs. I don't care about the earrings one way or the other and they could decide to remove them from the event tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me at all. The pettiness and neediness of other players is a different matter, however.

[Tiraelina]

Perhaps I'm missing it, but I don't see these earrings named in that post, either explicitly or implicitly. It simply says there will be exclusives. In fact, it seems to point towards getting to experience the content and a goobbue mount as the exclusive thanks.

Also, if it isn't clear by now, I'm not arguing over pixels, at least not per se. I am arguing against a particular attitude that I think is a rather cancerous element in MMORPGs. I don't care about the earrings one way or the other and they could decide to remove them from the event tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me at all. The pettiness and neediness of other players is a different matter, however.

Q: A lot of people are saying that they tried to clear “The Raven, Nevermore” but couldn’t manage to before the end. So, will we be able to challenge “The Raven, Nevermore” in ARR?
A: This content was made for our current players and was only intended for 1.0. It would also clash with the main story if it were still playable.

Explicity: The "content" would include what he dropped, it was the finale to 1.0 made for existing players before ARR.
Implicitly: If it wasn't part of that grouping they wouldn't have been missing for half a decade and dropped out of T9.

Neither of those are stretching the meaning. There's very few things that fall into that category regardless aside from unusable crafting materials. The old lodestone being dead and link re-directors no longer working makes it a headache. For all I know it was on the alpha forums. I would like to believe this was all someone dropping the ball but we're probably never going to hear of it.

That wasn't directed at yourself to be clear as well. Other people are though, maliciously, and should really take their own advice.

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That's a really twisted perception to make up to bring down someone in a game. I've yet to see anyone "lord" them over someone. You keep bringing up these examples that don't exist. Someone else having them isn't slighting someone else. Enjoy what you have and get over the envy, this isn't keeping up with the joneses.

[Sigma-Astra]

That's a really twisted perception to make up to bring down someone in a game. I've yet to see anyone "lord" them over someone. You keep bringing up these examples that don't exist. Someone else having them isn't slighting someone else. Enjoy what you have and get over the envy, this isn't keeping up with the joneses.

If you're using a piece of glamour from five years ago as a means to justify some kind of superiority that you're better than the person who doesn't have them or that you're still better than the people who possibly gets them now, then yes quite frankly, you are "lording" or holding something trivial over another person's head for no reason other than an ego booster.

Situations such as those do actually exist, it's possible that you're either just turning a blind eye towards it or you're not around to see it, whatever the case that it may be. If you take a look within the Novice Network and see some of the kinds of mentors talking to newbies, you'll see prime examples of that sort of mentality. Maybe not relating towards a useless glamour item, but in the idea and concept of skills or longevity with playing the game. It's the ugly side of human nature.

Give something special towards another person, and 9/10 chances, they'll take it one step too far and turn it into some kind of superiority complex over others. Basically, it is "lording" or hanging something over another person's head for nothing more than the satisfaction of yourself. This community can be full of people like that, they're not hard to find, just easy to ignore essentially.

You're getting the tail end of an argument with another poster who vehemently would defend and could not, literally, take the idea that other people were disagreeing with their behavior and calling it wrong because that 1.0 player believes that no one else but him deserves those earrings. He/she could not deal with the fact that their sort of mentality could be taken as wrong against newer players. They were literally trying to keep up with the Jones's.

It's not really fair to say that the people getting those earrings for lesser means, when they didn't even know the existence of 1.0 or even remembered that fight, were envious. You can't be envious over something you didn't care to know about five years prior, and possibly still don't care about it in the present. It's also not fair to say that those people don't deserve the earrings either simply out of a selfish mentality that you don't want them to have what you have and nothing else, when it's impossible for anyone to travel back in time five years ago at this point.

[Kaurhz]

Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

I draw the distinction here because Cirina, like myself is an Au Ra, and a fairly adorable one, especially the minion. I have wanted this since I first noticed they introduced Sadu, and Magnai On the other hand the earring is not something I get much value in, that's me personally, some people will, some people won't I fall into the latter.

Granted I do in fact believe that people shouldn't be handed an item for free. But again, in this particular case I would find it as quite commemorative, being an item you currently can't achieve, and granted it was a reward for one of the harder quests. Again, how I truly feel on this subject matter I will withhold entirely until I've participated in the event. If I feel the items have no worth to me then I will either discard them or not bother going for what probable grind they will make people do. If I were to give my thoughts on the matter, I do think the trial should be recreated to some depth, to at least give those that weren't able to participate in an event, to participate in said event. With true difficulty maintained. But logically, and this is why I haven't bothered mentioning it, is because it would consume far too much time and resources just for the sake of a limited-time event. Like I have said, judgement withheld, and like I've also implied earlier in the thread these items should not be Mogstation purchasable in a years time.

Before you make the argument, or before someone else pulls this out of the hat. there's a major difference between handing an item down for free that was probably an unintended exclusive due to the game being shut down and the content being no longer available, especially if said item holds value to the history of the game, and something current in the game that can achieved with significant effort being handed out like a freebie.

[Sigma-Astra]

Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

I have the Primogs minion from Before the Fall:OST before the codes became expired and the Yuna minion from the previous fanfest. I literally do not care if other people get them through different means. It's a virtual toy, it's not like someone stole your Olympic gold medal and is pretending to be an international athlete or if someone stole your identity.

It's also an MMO. Your entire gaming life revolves around things becoming invalidated after a certain amount of time. When you eventually unsub and cancel your subscription or they shut down XIV somewhere in the future, all of that work goes down the drain you know. You can't hold onto it forever.