So, how is Pagos?

[Rokke]

And this is why no one bothers talking to people on the forum... you have nothing to say and aim to push others out of speaking their minds. Yes, the former relics were freebies (to an extent), if you chose not to focus on them. SE is heading in the correct direction. Relics are not meant to be easily obtainable items.Anemos was also way too easy.

The thing is you seem to have some for headcanon that relics are supposed to be hard. XIV Relics have always been for everyone, thats why they’ve always included various casual ways to earn them. Up till the final step, they're casual weapons for casuals to work though on their own time at their own pace. People who wanted them faster could no life the most efficient ways, but that has always been optional.

If you want the prestige of something exclusive and hard to earn you're free to farm UWU. Thats literally what its there for.

[Aster_E]

I'm level 29 and its been a week and I haven't done my challenge logs yet this week. I have a full time job before anyone asks. Content is fine and all I've been doing is grouping/chaining with friends and talking in discord about dumb things in my free time. Its been fun for me so far. Kinda glad the train is dead, got tired of afking.

Imagine if you weren't able to Discord with half or more of them because of time availability. Imagine if you were only able to party with randos whom you'd love to converse with, but the Chains didn't exactly allow for writing out messages. Your experience is not everyone else's, but if you can imagine being unable to socialize where it matters then you can, maybe, imagine how boring this system is for so many of us.

[TheGrimace]

The Louhi FATE should have been "Life with Louhi." Come on, Koji!

[Nixxe]

I'm level 29 and its been a week and I haven't done my challenge logs yet this week. I have a full time job before anyone asks. Content is fine and all I've been doing is grouping/chaining with friends and talking in discord about dumb things in my free time. Its been fun for me so far. Kinda glad the train is dead, got tired of afking.

If you were AFK during the train, that was because you decided to be. Some players had to actually kill mobs and not just leech. One is left to wonder why you might have preferred AFKing to mindlessly grinding mobs...

[Hamada]

There were only a handful of places to camp - either upstairs on bats\beetles in the two safe spots (Entrance and locked door) that were very far from any of the undead, or on the beetles downstairs again which were not near any undead and were certainly not near Serket. I don't know where you were xping but in the 13ish years I played that game I can count on no hands the number of times I died to either Serket while leveling or blood aggro from the wights while leveling. If you were camping near either of those places you weren't doing it right. If you were 'dropping down often' you were there for another purpose and not to level. Maybe you are remembering getting genkai items there? I recall bomb coal being in there.

As far as getting lost in the jungles - you were on a chocobo. So how stressful could it have been? No one leveled there until 20+ so by then you should have had your license. If you had the airship pass before your license you were also doing it wrong.

Maps in game didn't show connections, but like with many other things the players learned and filled in the gaps. I still have maps on my walls of how to get through places like that. So yes, it could be frustrating. Did you die and lose all your progress as a result of being a little turned around at the big downed tree versus the tunnel on the lower floor?

No. That's the difference between XI and this new garbage. This new garbage is punishing with no remorse about it. XI was just an interesting place that the devs wanted you to explore and yes, maybe get lost in.

I agree, I think people comparing this to FFXI are remembering bits and pieces. Yes there was MPK and other things, but if you where aware, you had some wiggle room to avoid it, if you made your self aware. Some levels you could just teleport or escape, or chainspell them if you have a rdm with those sub jobs.

[Darkplanet]

now lvl 32 more thoughts. they killed the train, chaining is actually viable now. so I guess the idea is you find other people your lvl, kill higher lvl enemies the sweet spot is 5 lvls above you and the party. there are nm's at every lvl spawned by mobs 5 lvls higher than the boss nm. it works, some issues have been that it can be hard to find a party of others your lvl. I spent over 2 hours looking for a group today at lvl 31. maybe its some lvls are awkward now idk if it will improve or get worse but its an issue I think. but yea it works.


i'm pretty sure the geothermic teleport is at lvl 30 to just cause pain for people. its kinda silly cause lvls 26-29 literally make the most use of that area, a little bit of 30 in there. honestly its like they are trolling us but whatever.


now my biggest complaint right now is that the bunny fate isn't 100% chance that you get a bunny on gold. why why why so much rng, like its enough rng to see what you'll get, its pretty sad when 50 other people get a bunny but not you. I've seen dozens of people including myself finish the fate with "wtf why didn't I get a bunny?!" lol...

[Isala]

Eureka took the name from III, the characters from V, the theme from Mystic Quest, and inspiration from the grind of XI.

And then did such a poor job on the content, that fans of all four games are disappointed.

[tetsuo666]

It's a Carpal tunnel syndrome inducing boring long slog no one in their right mind should waste his precious life time on.
It's not even about the work or how long it takes i would gladly put even more time and work in it if it was actually fun to do and felt rewarding.

[Aster_E]

It's a Carpal tunnel syndrome inducing boring long slog no one in their right mind should waste his precious life time on.
It's not even about the work or how long it takes i would gladly put even more time and work in it if it was actually fun to do and felt rewarding.

Or "her."

Honestly, I've gone back to farming scrips for materia, because the gathering, the repetitive, manual crafting, and watching handfuls of materia blow up is so damn fun in comparison to Pagos.

[Lucinda]

Personally, I just feel so disappointed. I ended up enjoying Anemos due to the fate train - it was sociable and I spent hours in there daily, especially during my weekends. I had a feeling that things were going to change, but I was still excited for Pagos. After a long while of my boyfriend and I trying to form a party, we formed one. I could feel everyone’s souls withering away as we grinded. Everyone kept asking about the fate train too. Plus, keeping a full party is like pulling teeth! Grinding can only really be successful providing everyone stays around.

There’s so much the developers can do with Eureka but... they don’t. I just don’t think this style of grind fits FFXIV. I’ve played other grindy games but due to how they work it feels a lot more rewarding and I don’t get that bored doing it. On FF it just feels so mind numbingly boring. And now? There’s no incentives for higher levels to party up with lower levels, and due to circumstances I wasn’t able to level with the initial bunch.

I’ll go there a few more times to see if my mind changes, but I just felt so underwhelmed and downloaded another game to play.