Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Bourne_Endeavor]

20% is not small by any means, and certainly not small enough to justify the poor representation in media. 1 in 5 is a significant amount considering the number of characters in any given TV show or film, and even more so among the number of notable celebrities. Multi-culturalism is growing, but there will always be closet racists who dig in their heels and cause an uproar. I didn't agree with the Chinese dress being cultural appropriation, and from what I saw, neither did most people, Chinese or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans

Scroll down to "White population by state"

In the grand scheme of things, yes, it is. Now that does not mean we cannot strive for better representation in areas where it's lacking, but that also means you will never have completely equal representation because Western civilization isn't equally diverse. Nor is any developed nation the world over.

Yes, it's clearly their fault they're under-represented. They enjoy being held to white standards for beauty across all media and having to see themselves as either awkward caricatures or not at all. There is no sexism or racism or bias, and to imply otherwise and make the majority uncomfortable is just plain rude and insensitive.

It must be a lovely little bubble you live in.

Considering you literally put words in my mouth, I could say the same to you. Please. Quote where I said there is no sexism or racism in the world. If you bothered to read, you'll have noticed I said precisely the opposite. Likewise, I said they are at fault for blaming everyone else as though some invisible boogeyman is holding them back. Statistics have argued against numerous claims of supposed "oppression" yet they're often ignored or purposely misrepresented. They aren't being held to any standard, at least to the extent you're insinuating, otherwise you wouldn't see Beyoncé cited as one of the most beautiful women in the world. But, of course, let's blame everything on that boogeyman again. Maybe you need to step outside your bubble and stop following Internet trends.

This is the exact reason blaming everything on racism and sexism causes far greater problems than it ever helps. You devalue their significance when those issues are, in fact, genuine. Of course, my saying racism and sexism aren't nearly as prevalent you're insinuating somehow means they don't exist. Need to establish that black and white dichotomy.

[Lunaxia]

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I said major cities. And 20% is not a small or insignificant number by any stretch. It's almost a quarter of the population.

So you agree representation can be improved. But you don't agree that racism is behind it?

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You've agreed representation can be improved. But you believe that blaming racism and sexism for these problems is wrong, inferring that it isn't an issue. So what exactly is the cause then? Where do you think racism actually exists? You think they're the ones stopping themselves from having better representation? What statistics are you citing? One black artist being a success in a saturated industry isn't exactly a winning argument, and there are issues surrounding that itself I'm not going into.

Well, I'm confused then. What problems do you judge to be actual racial issues, and more importantly, what evidence do you have to prove this lack of prevalence?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So you agree representation can be improved. But you don't agree that racism is behind it?

It's almost like they aren't mutually exclusive. Shocking, I know.

Well, I'm confused then. What problems do you judge to be actual racial issues, and more importantly, what evidence do you have to prove this lack of prevalence?

Ones we can actually prove have a racist undertone not simply infer it out of bias assumptions. Case in point, I merely cited Beyoncé as an example yet somehow because there are more successful white artists, it can only be unintentional racism. Okay. Provide that evidence. The burden is on you to prove racism is holding people back, not on me debunk your assumptions. If we go by your logic, shall we call the Hip Hop and R&S genres racist as they've historically been predominantly black? See, that's the issue when you try and force an "ism" on everything. It inevitably applies both ways. Of course, few people doing that ever want to acknowledge it.

[Lunaxia]

It's almost like they aren't mutually exclusive. Shocking, I know.

Then provide an explanation.

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Oh, no, no, no. I know your beloved tactic of foisting all responsibility for evidence onto the opposing party and using it to prove yourself right despite the absence of anything even slightly resembling evidence on your part. Where are these statistics you mentioned that prove just how not prevalent racism is? You can't cite that without anything to back it up. How can you prove to me that racism is not behind poor representation?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Then provide an explanation.

Poor representation can come from simple statistical leanings. A primarily white neighborhood will have a primarily white school, for instance. That doesn't mean the school is unintentional racist, but it also means representation could improve. Likewise, the same logic applies to media. A video game only having heterosexual relationship options isn't necessarily spouting off some homophobic agenda. At the same time, non-traditional relationships could be better represented.

Put simply. If you can prove discrimination. I will fight that battle with you. I will not, however, fight a battle based on blind assumptions.

Oh, no, no, no. I know your beloved tactic of foisting all responsibility for evidence onto the opposing party and using it to prove yourself right despite the absence of anything even slightly resembling evidence on your part. Where are these statistics you mentioned that prove just how not prevalent racism is? You can't cite that without anything to back it up. How can you prove to me that racism is not behind poor representation?

Because if you make an accusation, the onus is on you prove it. In fact, let's glance back to your WHM is dead thread. You had literally no evidence except your own opinion, and argued down everyone else despite them going so far as to take screenshots. So I know your "beloved tactic" too. You have an opinion—one often entirely unsubstantiated—then expect others to prove it wrong, or deny the proof they provide.