Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Lunaxia]

brick wall

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse at this point. You misunderstood my original point and you're misunderstanding me now. The point is they mean nothing in the FFXIV canon. They're not representative, they're meaningless references taken from IRL. The point against more ethnic features was that this is a fantasy game that shouldn't borrow from IRL. This is direct borrowing from IRL with no lore or explanation behind it that was seen as perfectly acceptable.

And they didn't choose that halo, though. They chose the famous Western depiction associated with Christianity, along with robes and wings.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse at this point. You misunderstood my original point and you're misunderstanding me now. The point is they mean nothing in the FFXIV canon. They're not representative, they're meaningless references taken from IRL. The point against more ethnic features was that this is a fantasy game that shouldn't borrow from IRL. This is direct borrowing from IRL with no lore or explanation behind it that was seen as perfectly acceptable.

I’m not even referencing your argument about race; I’m just responding to your misinformed stance on three sets of glamour being representative of entire religions. How am I misunderstanding your original statement about religious representation in this game when you said:

There are even references to real world religions in this game.

And when asked what you meant by religious references:

What "references to real world religions" are you meaning exactly? I can't think of any.

You responded as such:

Taoism, from the glamour. Angels and devils, Christianity.

The Taoist glamour isn’t representative of Taoism. Angels and devils is a common literary archetype that isn’t just present in Christianity. Borrowing archetypes that don’t follow a single strict religion is common in all forms of media.

My point was you’re reaching by saying glamour options represent religions. And that I gave you way too much credit when I cited actual loose real-life religious/mythological/folklore references made in FFXIV:

I’m guessing they’re referring to Ishgard’s religion as an approximation of Catholicism? Or the talk of a lot of Domans of the “Kami”, which could refer to Japanese Shintoism. That’s the only references I can make.

Or they’re referring to the names of certain primals, since a lot of them derive their names from real-life mythology or folklore, though their in-game counterpart can either be similar to real life, or borrowing just the name with regards to likeness; it varies— Lakshmi is an actual Hindu goddess (the goddess of wealth, fortune, and prosperity). Susano-o, Tsukuyomi, and the Four Lords all also have ties to Japanese mythology/folklore: The first two are part of the Kojiki, a compilation of Japanese origin myths; and the Four Lords originally come from Chinese mythology as gods denoted by constellations, but also have representation/presence in Japanese mythology.

Those aren’t the only ones— a quick search will show you that a lot of the primals have real-world counterparts in various different mythologies: Ifrit has Middle Eastern references, Leviathan has references in the Hebrew Bible, Garuda has references in Hinduism and Buddhism.

[Lunaxia]

Very nice ad hominem. You’re losing an argument, so you turn to attacking your opponent instead?

See it how you will. "Losing." You do really have an unhealthy obsession with this, don't you?

You've completely misunderstood my original point and you've been repeating it back at me despite my telling you otherwise. Referencing something and representing something are not the same thing. You accuse me of "prolonging" things but you've held onto this inane tangent for several pages, to what end, I don't even know.

[HyoMinPark]

See it how you will. "Losing." You do really have an unhealthy obsession with this, don't you?

You've completely misunderstood my original point and you've been repeating it back at me despite my telling you otherwise. Referencing something and representing something are not the same thing. You accuse me of "prolonging" things but you've held onto this inane tangent for several pages, to what end, I don't even know.

None of my posts have accused you of “prolonging” anything. I suggest you go back and read them. But now that you mention it, you don’t have to keep replying to me. You didn’t even have to reply to my first point. But you do you, boo.

[Lunaxia]

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So the earlier post about someone detracting from the thread "crying about discrimination" was about... who, lol? Yet you've kept at it regardless, because you need the validation.

Nice projecting, though. Seems it's a habit among you.

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But why are they not better represented?

lol.

You're the one that mentioned statistics. Where are they? You're the one accusing "SJWs" of making up racism and sexism issues. Where's this proof? "The onus is on you" is complete and utter garbage to hide the fact you have absolutely nothing to back up your own points.

The difference is I owned up to the fact I didn't have any screenshots and only had my word. I acknowledged what people posted. You're claiming to have evidence, and you insisted any claim without evidence is insubstantial in that very thread. So where is it?

[Miste]

You do really have an unhealthy obsession with this, don't you?
You accuse me of "prolonging" things but you've held onto this inane tangent for several pages, to what end, I don't even know.

So...you're calling them out for having an "unhealthy obsession" and that they keep holding onto this discussion with you, yet you are doing the same thing lol

Don't you have an unhealthy obsession by your own definition then? You also had the choice to stop posting and go do something else with your time, but you definitely didn't~

Hypocrisy really amuses me too much, maybe I have an obsession too!

[Lunaxia]

project it

Who started these arguments? Who addressed who first?

Who continues to address who despite supposedly being done with their posts?

Who holds onto grudges from year old/ month old threads?

Hypocrisy really amuses me too much, maybe I have an obsession too!

The funny thing is you do, lol.

[Miste]

Who started these arguments? Who addressed who first?

If you are talking about me then yeah I replied to you because you made ridiculous claims that the game is discriminatory.

Are you seriously trying to say that I am supposed to feel bad for offering my counter opinion on a public forum? If not then who cares who addressed who first or who started the argument? What is this fifth grade?

The post I initially quoted you were also being hugely passive aggressive so I figured I should also point out how hypocritical you are being.

Who continues to address who despite supposedly being done with their posts?

If you are talking about me then when did I ever say I was done with my posts? Honestly I don't even know who you are talking about lol

Who holds onto grudges from year old/ month old threads?

If that helps you cope, by all means then believe it is definitely not because I disagree with your claim that this game discriminates and not because you have a rude attitude, it is solely because I have a grudge. /s

The funny thing is you do, lol.

Whatever makes you feel better that you can't handle discussions on a forum without resorting to rude passive aggressive behavior with everyone if they don't agree with you or your opinions.

The easiest answer for you is to just base any disagreement on that nonsense because you have nothing else.

[MoroMurasaki]

Very nice ad hominem. You’re losing an argument, so you turn to attacking your opponent instead?

Either way, my point still stands: saying that specific religions are referenced and/or represented by glamour options is still a reach at best.

No, you're just a really awful person and I genuinely have no interest in engaging you.

I've shut you down several times even before this thread and you keep coming back, trying to bait me into answering. The obsession lies with you. Get help.

Where do you get off trying to call someone you don't even know an awful person? I've reported your post as abusive and encourage others to do so as well.

Civilized people can have a discussion without resorting to direct insults.

Hopefully now a mod can close this and get this trash off the internet.