Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Anatha]

I know it have nothing to do with lights spectrum and I did know what people mean by "people of color". Though I did not have any idea on where it originated from, so that's good to know.

My point is that this fancy little term uses very clearly defined terms, then twists them into something nearly completely irrelevant to the origins of the word, THEN makes exclusions to that, fancy themselves prideful in being that (as part of a majority), while accusing the minority (if we consider the "people of color" as a group, that group constitutes ~67% of the world population) of them being discriminatory.

The whole concept there, the premises, are wrong. What's wrong with using non-white, non-Caucasian etc?! Seriously. Fighting fire with fire works, but fighting a bomb with a bomb does not.

If you can't tell what's wrong with what you just said, you're a lost cause. You're demonstrating the core underlying foundation of racism.

"I'm most important. Everything revolves around me, and everyone who doesn't look like me should he defined as being *not" like me."

[kikix12]

If you can't tell what's wrong with what you just said, you're a lost cause. You're demonstrating the core underlying foundation of racism.

Hm?! I'm racist because I said that giving fancy terms (incorrect in the use of the words it's made from) to certain groups of people just because they feel oppressed (don't get me wrong, many are oppressed, but many white people are oppressed too) is bad?! Huh?!

Do you even know what "language" is? Each word have a definition. Using existing words with definitions to form a term that relates to but completely twists these meanings, then using it for some ideological reason when the words are neutral, is bad.

Someone feeling or even being oppressed doesn't give them the right to destroy parts of culture, be it their own or that of another.

"I'm most important. Everything revolves around me, and everyone who doesn't look like me should he defined as being *not" like me."

Buy a dictionary, or at least use one of the online ones. This would fall under the definition of "egoism" (for the "I'm most important") and "narcissism" (for the "defined as being 'not' like me"). Neither have anything to do with racism. And on a local scale, the first part isn't even that. To an individual, they are the most important (with rare exceptions) and that is perfectly normal. Humanity is coded to pass their DNA above everyone else. The question is whether the "I'm most important" comes at the price of "so let's ruin those others people lives to make mine better" or "but everyone else have the right to lead a good life too".


I personally couldn't care less whether a game allows any particular skin color or facial features, so long as it have acceptable (aka realistic) proportions. I'll play whatever the developer decides to serve. Ironically, if I have a choice of human-like character, I'll pick Asiatic (I'm European) female (I'm male)...so a huge miss on that front from you.

[Raou]

Y'all can just come out and say you don't want black characters in your fantasy game, because it seems a lot easier than tying yourselves into Gordian knots trying to come up with excuses.

[MoroMurasaki]

Y'all can just come out and say you don't want black characters in your fantasy game, because it seems a lot easier than tying yourselves into Gordian knots trying to come up with excuses.

Is your arm okay? That was such a huge reach.

[Raou]

Is your arm okay? That was such a huge reach.

Doesn't really seem like much of a reach considering the newest argument boils down to "PoC aren't lore-friendly".

[MoroMurasaki]

Doesn't really seem like much of a reach considering the newest argument boils down to "PoC aren't lore-friendly".

We don't decide what is canonical, the devs do. There is a difference between saying "I would like any large scale changes to character creation to fit within established lore" and "keep black people out of this video game" but you seem to be conflating the two.

If the area to the south of the Sagolii prooves to be an African-styled location then cool, toss it in the game. If not then no I don't think they should change estaished lore for some offended, entitled children.

Ironically the same people arguing that they want this are the ones likely keeping it from happening since they would be whining about cultural appropriation if SE did implement such changes.

[FeliAiko]

Ironically the same people arguing that they want this are the ones likely keeping it from happening since they would be whining about cultural appropriation if SE did implement such changes.

Good job in keeping this spicy "war" going with baseless assertions like the above.

[MoroMurasaki]

Can you all just say you don't want the black features in the game and just call it a day? It's really not that hard. Stick by what you say and mean it. All this deflection is unnecessary.

We don't decide what is canonical, the devs do. There is a difference between saying "I would like any large scale changes to character creation to fit within established lore" and "keep black people out of this video game" but you seem to be conflating the two.

At least I can respond to all of the SJW talking points easier now - copy and paste for the win!

[Joven]

I mean they invented Ivalice now. Now we can apparently have Vieras, Bangaas, and Seeq... suddenly.

Ivalice has been around for a very long time, ever since Final Fantasy Tactics came out for the Playstation in 1998 (and later for Playstation Portable in 2007). Viera, Bangaa and Seeq have also been around for quite a while starting with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance for the Gameboy Advance in 2003, Final Fantasy XII for the Playstation 2 in 2006 and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2 for the Nintendo DS in 2007. All of which takes place in Ivalice.

[Savagelf]

first off this game company is Japanese in base so their are Asia so by very concept their are non Caucasians. second the comment made about use non Caucasian can be still consider racist( really world dislike for my race isn't right thing). the issue here isn't video games it the fact you desire bring political view into video games. this where issue lines up let talk about the fact that ffxiv people are very different Miq'ta to Au'Ra to the Elvaan to Laflaf to many other ffxiv races if we evenaulty have Veira.. FFXIV by it very nature is the world is melting pot of different culture and races and culture all row into one.