Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[ko_]

This topic should've been deleted. The op made a clickbait topic and now everything is blowing up. The game is not racist. There is no race issue. The only thing here like I said before is every character in the game is limited. Yes can we use more hairs or course. But let's stop with this plotline that a Japanese company is going to understand or even try to cater to one race outside their own. I mean do we as Americans do that? No. But that's another topic that doesn't need to be here. Yes to more options but no that doesn't mean ffxiv is freaking racist.

[Dualgunner]

This topic should've been deleted. The op made a clickbait topic and now everything is blowing up. The game is not racist. There is no race issue. The only thing here like I said before is every character in the game is limited. Yes can we use more hairs or course. But let's stop with this plotline that a Japanese company is going to understand or even try to cater to one race outside their own. I mean do we as Americans do that? No. But that's another topic that doesn't need to be here. Yes to more options but no that doesn't mean ffxiv is freaking racist.

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[odintius]

Oh it's who the most oppressed fantasy race mmo award time of the year. Well I'm elven so naturally were the most oppressed race in most games anyways so now give me more beards choices >.>

[bustamanteverde]

The thread that will not die! As a Latino I generally make my Heroes: males, either a ginger because sexy reasons or Latino looking like myself. My main is tall, dark, and handsome hehe. Most Devs give a cornucopia of options but one has to realize the entire world does not revolve around us so we have to make do with what is presented. SE is a Japanese based company so I realize their views on diversity are quite different than the melting pot countries like USA, England, and etc...

Saying it is a "race" problem is asking for a flame war though.

[Sigma-Astra]

I think what Emistidor is getting at is that you're not the spokeswoman for all or just a few black and brown players, and that you really shouldn't be setting yourself up on this platform like you are, it'll come across as you assuming or speaking for other people that can probably, quite frankly, speak up very well for themselves, and some already have.

That's just my take on it.

[Nandina]

I think what Emistidor is getting at is that you're not the spokeswoman for all or just a few black and brown players, and that you really shouldn't be setting yourself up on this platform like you are, it'll come across as you assuming or speaking for other people that can probably, quite frankly, speak up very well for themselves, and some already have.

That's just my take on it.

I see what's being said, but I'm hardly the first person to speak on behalf of people. I'm not equating the issue, but just using an example, Martin Luther King spoke up for others. Nelson Mandela spoke up for others, etc. We have a whole Me Too movement going on where people are speaking up for people. We had gay marriage where people spoke up for people. While character creation in a video game is no where near as drastic or severe as those real life issues (and is very trite in comparison), I've never known it to be a problem to speak up for others. I acknowledge that there are black people who never wanted to be integrated, there are gay people who didn't want gay marriage or believed in it, there are women who can't stand the Me Too movement, but it doesn't change the fact that there were others who did and that their opponents still benefit from it. I can't expect to get these things if I don't call it out or speak up on it. I'm sure if we did get the other nose, lips, hair options; that there would be people who disagree with the premise now who may utilize them in the future. But if not, they still have the option to. Does that make sense?

[Sigma-Astra]

I see what's being said, but I'm hardly the first person to speak on behalf of people. I'm not equating the issue, but just using an example, Martin Luther King spoke up for others. Nelson Mandela spoke up for others, etc. We have a whole Me Too movement going on where people are speaking up for people. We had gay marriage where people spoke up for people. While character creation in a video game is no where near as drastic or severe as those real life issues (and is very trite in comparison), I've never known it to be a problem to speak up for others. I acknowledge that there are black people who never wanted to be integrated, there are gay people who didn't want gay marriage or believed in it, there are women who can't stand the Me Too movement, but it doesn't change the fact that there were others who did and that their opponents still benefit from it. I can't expect to get these things if I don't call it out or speak up on it. I'm sure if we did get the other nose, lips, hair options; that there would be people who disagree with the premise now who may utilize them in the future. But if not, they still have the option to. Does that make sense?

Well, Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela, both very important people, spoke up during times where black people were not shown or given the same freedom and equality as white people, they stood against a sea of bias hatred and fear because others were either too afraid of being put in jail or worse, killed for their beliefs to freely speak their rights and outcry against others for trying to take them away. But, you're also in agreement that character creation is very trite in comparison towards those issues....same thing with using the Me Too movement which is also a very serious issue. It's fine to speak up and advocate that you want more styles that you think are lacking. But again, that's you. What you perceive is not what everyone else perceives. You are speaking up for what you believe is lacking, you shouldn't be speaking up for an entire and large group of people because you feel or think that they're slighted or that they should feel slighted for it, namely a whole ethnicity. And that's fine, it's fine to speak up for what you believe is lacking. But, don't label it as a racial issue or that you need to speak for an entire group of people and that's your excuse.

I shouldn't speak up, not that I would, for the entirety of another race even if I was part of that said race. It's not my place. It's not your place. It's no one's place on this really. Doing so would make me look and feel arrogant that I'm somehow more important and able to clarify what an entire race of people want and that I'm some expert on it, when clearly, we're all definitely not. Just because you're part of said race, does not mean that you can speak up for what others want and that you know better than they do initially.

That's the thing.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The problem is more lip, nose and hair options isnt a racial issue, its a character creation issue. Thats where the problem is.

No one has said more lip, nose, and hair options is bad, people have said using "race issues" to request new options is bad.

[Nandina]

The problem is more lip, nose and hair options isnt a racial issue, its a character creation issue. Thats where the problem is.

No one has said more lip, nose, and hair options is bad, people have said using "race issues" to request new options is bad.

I know it's a character creation issue hence the title. I wanted to make a black girl but was extremely limited in my options to do so because of the way the character creator was set up on the Hyur. I don't know if you saw the videos I posted where you pretty much are just delegated to one hairstyle and the same nose and face combo.

At this point we can really just dead the thread, cause clearly everyone is perceiving the issue differently and we're getting nowhere.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I know it's a character creation issue hence the title. I wanted to make a black girl but was extremely limited in my options to do so because of the way the character creator was set up on the Hyur. I don't know if you saw the videos I posted where you pretty much are just delegated to one hairstyle and the same nose and face combo.

At this point we can really just dead the thread, cause clearly everyone is perceiving the issue differently and we're getting nowhere.

You could have said "Character creation needs more options" "Character creation has a race problem" is not a topic title that spawns good feedback.