So about Summoner...

[Neela]

Obviously on some level you do care, Neela; otherwise you wouldn't frequent threads in the caster wars defending summoner. It matters on some visceral level that summoner be performing well in raid, otherwise you wouldn't bring up Summoner's past difficulties in raiding, and you don't want to go back to what that was.

It's that level of care that people like Zerathor and I also have. We obviously play what we want over summoner, however we do so knowing we're holding the group back by not playing summoner instead. By a not so insignificant margin.

well and thats one of your mistakes - u think I'm just pro smn whats not the case, I play heal and brd as well from time to time - tho this is not "I'm smn and all the others can suck my balls" mentality. also its not me who always bring that smn vs. xyz back on the table if I say something general to raiding. my very first comment in this thread was kinda neutral - but just because my profile says I'm smn Zera began to strike on that, what actually was totally unrelated to:

"nerf xyz cause its stronger than my cls"

needs to die at first - cause thats what it is all about - in every "meta" topic ever since... /thread

a general opinion about raiding and one which has nothing to do with the op-ness of smns or other specific cls'.


But im not gonna lie: on the other hand at this state yeah I'm happy to be smn cause we perform good and finally have fun in savage too. whoop whoop. :3 - (thats why I said finally & mentioned the past thats all.)

but I was happy in arr & hw as well and I will stick to smn in 5.0 as well even if we are back to bottom like we were used to be. I don't chose my main based on fflogs performance or raidspots. I play smn cause I like pet cls in mmos. switching mains to perform "best" is just another personal problem of people who can't stand mid or bottom. but often the things those people complain about are actually not that important/relevant in an objective point of view - f.e. "good blm do high dmg, can clear all savage tier and even ultimate" this is true no doubt around it everything else in this thread is personal ego driven - easy like that.

if people always want to be on top - there is no way around switching cls from tier to tier - easy like that again... : /

and whats the matter with "holding back the grp" if you play with your static & friends? another argument which lose weight somehow... oh pf I see... yeah pf... if someone goes savage via pf the whole speedkill/meta/raidbuffs talk is obsolete... so why exactly do u have a bad feeling "holding your grp back" by playing what you personal like most? : /

[Zerathor]

snip.

It's a pretty bad feeling to hold back your group for your own benefit of enjoying a certain job. Be it a casual static group, a hard core prog group, a speed kill group, or even a pf group.

Knowing it was YOUR choice that may have caused that wipe at 1% enrage because somebody was dead 10 seconds longer than they should have or various other situations like that. It's a bad feeling to know your choice could have saved everybody time. Your choice could have involved clearing that content a week earlier. And you chose not to because you wanted to play your preferred job at everyone's expense. It's just... a bad feeling.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

but I was happy in arr & hw as well and I will stick to smn in 5.0 as well even if we are back to bottom like we were used to be. I don't chose my main based on fflogs performance or raidspots. I play smn cause I like pet cls in mmos. switching mains to perform "best" is just another personal problem of people who can't stand mid or bottom. but often the things those people complain about are actually not that important/relevant in an objective point of view - f.e. "good blm do high dmg, can clear all savage tier and even ultimate" this is true no doubt around it everything else in this thread is personal ego driven - easy like that.

^ I played SMN in HW when it was still considered garbage-tier, and also through the start of SB. I picked it up when I realized that BLM didn't have Bio/Miasma/Etc that I was expecting from playing single player Final Fantasies. My biggest disappointment is that it's no longer a DoT mage, but I got really attached to the pet mechanics of it, so I still love it.

All I gotta say on this topic is if you're on here whining about your class, you're probably not good enough to be in the 90th percentile anyway, so anything FFlogs says about your class doesn't apply lol. Take a step back, go find a group that's here to have fun and not force a class you don't like onto you. If you have some misplaced guilt about "holding the group back" that's your own issue and no one else's. Practice, learn, get better. Stop expecting someone to spoon feed victory to you. I know both BLM and RDM mains that put SMN to shame on a regular basis, so never give up and blame it on class balance!

[Zerathor]

All I gotta say on this topic is if you're on here whining about your class, you're probably not good enough to be in the 90th percentile anyway, so anything FFlogs says about your class doesn't apply lol. Take a step back, go find a group that's here to have fun and not force a class you don't like onto you. If you have some misplaced guilt about "holding the group back" that's your own issue and no one else's. Practice, learn, get better. Stop expecting someone to spoon feed victory to you. I know both BLM and RDM mains that put SMN to shame on a regular basis, so never give up and blame it on class balance!

Aight, brb one sec. OK, i'm back-
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/2880611
I did it. I got gud. Blm still needs support to be a real competitive option ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Any other assumptions? Or does your name describe your post?

[Duskane]

All I gotta say on this topic is if you're on here whining about your class, you're probably not good enough to be in the 90th percentile anyway, so anything FFlogs says about your class doesn't apply lol. Take a step back, go find a group that's here to have fun and not force a class you don't like onto you. If you have some misplaced guilt about "holding the group back" that's your own issue and no one else's. Practice, learn, get better. Stop expecting someone to spoon feed victory to you. I know both BLM and RDM mains that put SMN to shame on a regular basis, so never give up and blame it on class balance!

[Neela]

fixed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Zerathor]

u think I'm just pro smn

Don't worry, nobody here thinks that.

SE politics goes for casual/new gamer > veteran endgame since HW.

Seriously, what universe are you in? You must be lost, this is Final Fantasy XIV if you were unsure.

[Neela]

Don't worry, nobody here thinks that.


Seriously, what universe are you in? You must be lost, this is Final Fantasy XIV if you were unsure.

u are as embarrassing as always I never said "I'm a pro smn" I said "you think I'm pro smn con everything else" (learn to read before trying to be funny idiot :*) 2nd if u didn't even know their late HW politics yet - just stop talking there are more than enough interviews and q&as where they explicit said that they focus on new player lol and easier cls-design, thats also a point why they brought ultimate for veterans in the first place - cause everything else went way easier... but like I said veterans don't wanna hear that - another personal problem of you which u just don't realize. ^^

I thought a super hero like u already knew that... but well if you didn't get that, no wonder why you are talking so much bs in an arrogant way - its classy posing without background : /

[Zerathor]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

Ah yes, how silly of me to forget that it's Limsa ERP that is the core ballancing factor of the game. Definitely not raiding. That would be silly.