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  1. #11
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Unfortunately, Yoshida got it in his head they were releasing too much and delayed Heaven on High. The devs have a real bad habit of assuming people play the game differently than we actually do. Sure, there are plenty of people still lagging behind on story content, but don't punish the ones who have remained caught up and want something to do in FFXIV. What they should do is release Heaven on High with Ultimate, thus giving both hardcore raiders and more casual players something.

    Personally, I really dislike this new staggered release approach they've taken. It just highlights how lacking some patches feel.
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    Pretty much even with the new ways of "Gearing up" pls stop joking, until sigmascape savage loot restriction is removed can't actually enjoy getting gear for other classes. Still shocks me how they restrict one of the things that make this popular being able to have multiple jobs. Would love to be able to gear up brd/mch and mnk/sam to play those but thanks to please play our content longer tropes can only gear up one role near max ilvl.
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    I think it's not just his head doing this but seeing how even WOW is doing it to amazing results.
    I Mean no patch in legion or even release content on legion was already in the game at launch and it seems to me that more games are going for this staggered release approach.
    Before we had difficulty and gring as a way to make patches feel plumpy, now the gaming world has changed and production can't meet demands, as such they've started with staggered release, which also makes ppl sub for more,.

    Althpugh I could counter that argument with the point that doing it for a longer period could lead to players subbing only for late month in the patch if they really care for their moneys.

    For now we are not yet in what I would call danger zone, but it could creep into the story quests (and we already have the last patch before expansion using this).

    Look to how antorus and nighthold were staggered in their release then watch how terrible was the staggered release on broken front in legion, especially that quest asking you to farm a certain quantity of nether shards or whatever which then the quest giver revealed to you that he actually needed only one, imagine now that wine fetch quest as the ONLY new content coming during a week.
    This is what I fear might happen eventually
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    Last edited by Remedi; 06-04-2018 at 12:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvina View Post
    I don't have little to do, this game has a lot to do. unless of course everything is "Fake content"
    Did you even bother to read the OP? Let's review, shall we?

    4.3 offers

    - Namazu Beast Tribe dailies (Takes twenty minutes tops)
    - Ridorana Lighthouse (20-40 mins per week unless you farm for a drop)
    - MSQ (A day or two at most)
    - EX Primal (Farming for hours on end can only keep one's attention for so long)
    - Kurenai (Weekly; Crafter only)
    - Doman Enclave (Weekly; 10-20 mins)
    - Dungeon

    Now that looks like plenty on paper but you'll be done with virtually everything within the first week. From there, you have activities on Tuesday and... not much else. A repetitive dungeon and one EX Primal is expected to keep people's attention for the following month until Heaven on High finally releases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    I think it's not just his head doing this but seeing how even WOW is doing it to amazing results.
    WoW does a better job because the vast majority of content they release is battle focused, thus lasts longer. The staggered approach has not exactly been met with overwhelming fanfare. People were vehemently complaining in 4.1 due to how sparse that patch was. And while 4.3 offers more, it'll be almost two months before we see it all.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 06-04-2018 at 12:57 AM.

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    Sometimes it feels like we get less and less every expansion. However, FFXIV (even with these patches) tend to provide more than other MMOs. While taking a break from FFXIV, I had tried other MMOs and they were really... lacking. I always come back to FFXIV for more food. It's not always sufficient, but it's better than a lot of what's out there. (Imo, at least.) So, I totally feel you on the complaint, but there are worse out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    WoW does a better job because the vast majority of content they release is battle focused, thus lasts longer. The staggered approach has not exactly been met with overwhelming fanfare. People were vehemently complaining in 4.1 due to how sparse that patch was. And while 4.3 offers more, it'll be almost two months before we see it all.
    I'm sorry but I disagree, legion has been a shitstorm on release content especially on how terruible they handed the release of Mythic+ by having it capped to a certain ilvl for the reward only for it beign become invalid 2 weeks later when the raid released, not to mention that mythic+ was released I think 2 weeks after the release of the expansion so in short you have been farming the same shit over and over for a month hoping for TF which is still coming in BFA because reasons (just like the mission table that everyone loved)

    Also I cited the broken front where each week you were given a pointless quest that required you to do the same shit you were doing all the weeks prior for no reason at all and they promised an intriguing story compaign for that, Though considering how now Anduin can literally do NO WRONG (last book) or else he'll face extreme pain, maybe it's better they simply don't even try if THAT is their quality.

    ANwyay ye I disagree on this I've been on wow for more than 10 years enough for me to say that the quality of release content, especially expansion release content has dropped considerably, and consider this I've also considered FFXIV to lack in expansion release content, but imho Wow is really pushing it now . I don't know how it's even possible to criticize FFXIV for it's release content when the most that wow does nowadays is dungeons and daily quests and that's pretty much it. Once you had reputation and lv capped quests now not anymore.
    All because they CARE about you not rushing to level cap they want you to CHERISH the content, can't I enjoy the content HOW I PLEASE.
    Oh and that's also applies to SE, I was against how they gated HW released content just as I was against for SB btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    WoW does a better job because the vast majority of content they release is battle focused, thus lasts longer.
    As a player of WoW, WoW's content tends to be VERY repetitious and grindy. In fact, the last actual content WoW introduced was Argus and that was way back during... what, November? IIRC?

    Well, ok, they did add that little bit with Silithus a few months ago, but meh. It's a battleground and PvP blows in that game anyways.
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    Last edited by Maeka; 06-04-2018 at 01:11 AM.

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    The fact that we always see the same kind of content being released, giving the long-time players a sens of déjà-vu from patch to patch, and that they are now stretching the patch to a ridiculous extent can only make the players feel weary about it.

    Sure, there is still content added, but it only last for a couple of minute each weeks if your character is up to date. Right now, the only things keeping me in game is because I want to craft the crafting and gatherer gear. And it would already be done if one of the most important component required wasn't locked behind the namazu quest tribe.


    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR View Post
    but there are worse out there.
    I don't really want to take this as an excuse for how stale the game is feeling right now. If anything, it's only making me lose faith in the MMORPG genre.
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    i think what they doing is great spreading content on the 3 months cycle
    its better than throwing it all at once , which what was a problem before , imo
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    That's just because of your playstyle.
    I'm not saying you're playing it "right" or "wrong", just that your playstyle doesn't fit the content release.

    Then you have people like me: who still haven't finished it all.
    First day. I was marketboarding to make gil, doing non-new content to earn GC to be able to capitalize on the new raziqsap market. That's literally all I did.

    Second day. I was starting the various quests, just to get to instance unlocks. Then more marketboarding. And the Doman Enclave. I did some older content because I also still care about my challenge log and wondrous tails, but mostly I spent the night joining hunt trains. So much activity, so many centurio seals to get.

    The next night, I really wanted to try out the new command missions, because I'm a level-over-time person who likes variety. AV and Sohm Al were really fun, and I joined some more hunts afterwards.

    I also decided to do some Hildibrand because I was way behind and I want to be able to enjoy the new Hildibrand stuff when it comes out, so that was another night.

    Now afterwards I finally started MSQ, which I spent a night on, taking the time to read through and just enjoy it.

    Then I started Namazu. I also realized I had some crafters at 50, so I started Moogle at the same time. The Namazu quest text is HILARIOUS, so I actually take the time to read it. More hunts to fill in the night. I did some leves as well, because I'm an achievement hunter and I can't let those cap. ever.

    I still haven't even done Ridorana, new EX trial, the new PVP daily challenge (which I do want to do), and I'll probably be doing some chocobo races and verminion before the make it rain event to get some practice in. I'll also be going back to try to finish my ARR sightseeing log probably in the next month (and ARR sightseeing logs have specific times of the day to do them in), so those DF chocobo races will be helpful to wait in place - so that's a QOL I'm really looking forward to.

    And then there are people I know who spent a LOT of time in the new dungeon to get the gear - not for the ilvl, let's face it there's better ways to gear up, but for glamour!

    It's all about how quickly you want to get through and how much of the new content you want to do, and also how much older content you mix it in with. If you're not interested in hunts, command missions, pvp, scouring the marketboard, catching up on older content you might not have done yet while spacing out new content, etc... And you just focus on doing MSQ and the new instances once..Then yeah, you won't have much to do.

    But as a person who's played other MMO's, I'm not sure what you're expecting, this is more than I used to get in other games.
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    Last edited by Squintina; 06-04-2018 at 01:51 AM.

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