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  1. #151
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    Remedi's Avatar
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Cerberus
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    I agree with most points on what you said on wow, but I don't agree that mythic+ are real horizzontal progression.
    Or amybe we simply have a different opinion on horizzontal progression, to me as long as you can attribute a dps increase to each number you can't really call it a real horizzontal progression, because you would still gravitate towards the item that is the most effective at every situation, horizzontal progression to me is given when the game and the gear can allow you to have different options in battle, but as long as the combat is so dps centric you'll just focus yourself to increase the dmg nothing more.

    also note that part of the D3 team was behind legion I think they did not considered many points on how to blend D3 mechanics to an MMO game that well, not that in D3 they have a real good mixture of horizzontal and vertical progression considering the need of power creeping items every now and then, but that returns to the point that blizzard is inept at balance overall
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    Last edited by Remedi; 06-09-2018 at 08:10 PM.

  2. #152
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vhailor View Post
    Of course it can; FFXI - built by this same company - did this flawlessly for years.
    The only way you survive gear creep is by making the gear completely useless. Thus it ends up being competition for glamour, which would not be the worst thing in the world, but it's also has no sense of progress.

    Like, this is how I'd change gear, and this is flat out admitting that I don't think this is really better:

    Remove gear levels
    Remove gear ilevels (retain value for desynth calculation)
    Remove gear bonus stats
    Remove existing gear materia slots and materia.
    Remove glamour entirely (as in, there is no difference between level 1 gear and level 70 dungeon gear drops)

    Now, you're left with gear that, itself, is the glamour. All dungeons will be based against this "zero" baseline where gear is cosmetic and irrelevant, and the job level sets all the basic combat stats. Now...

    Add 8 materia slots to each gear slot itself. 4 of these replace the "bonus stats", and 4 of these are the elemental affinity. These can always be removed at no cost, and not destroyed. Now assuming you have 8 * 12 (96) Materia. Each dungeon with no materia attached, would be equal to "minimum ilevel", and having 4 correct materia in each slot would be like having 40 ilevels above minimum ilevel (thus always capped.) Then you have the elemental affinity which adds fixed 25% attack power or damage reduction of that element for that slot. So if you are going into a dungeon that the monsters have ice affinity, then having 100% ice materia will absorb 100% of ice-based attacks, but also make all your attacks have be 100% ice attacks, so you do 1's. So if you go into a Ice dungeon, you have your tank and healer wear the ice materia on their gear, while the DPS wear fire materia, but they will also be super squishy to AOE's. Or you can omit the elemental affinity and play it like you do now, with those slots empty or neutral. Monsters will not always do only elemental damage, and likewise certain attacks that players have will have unaspected or aspected attributes.

    That solves gear creep itself by making it impossible to "overgear" a dungeon, this would have to go hand in hand with:
    Changing the market system so Materia can not be bought or sold by players or NPC's. All combat Materia must be created or acquired though dungeon play (not tomes, cracked clusters, etc.) All DoH/DoL Materia must be created or acquired through crafting activity.
    Removing "tomes" based gear progression.
    Creating a "materia bag" that stores 600 materia that can be switched while out of combat+cooldown.

    So you might ask, well what's the point of playing content if not for gear? And the answer to that is, glamour, which is what people do currently when they've out-leveled it. You still get those gear, just now it doesn't have any combat stats. Playing high end content will give you materia that matches the affinity of the dungeon, so if you play the same dungeon ... 48 times, you'd have a full set. Playing non-high end content will only hand out one that must be rolled on.

    So you'd have something like this (round slots = bonus stats, diamond slots = elemental):
    Main hand weapon (HEALER):
    ( o ) ( p ) ( q ) ( c ) < x >< t >< l >< f >

    o +25% determination
    p + 25% spell speed
    q + 25% piety
    c + 25% critical hit
    x +25% wind
    t + 25% water
    l + 25% earth
    f + 25% fire

    You could have all gear have the same configuration for an end result of 25% bonus to those, or you could toss things randomly on, which the game will go +0% if the stat has no meaning for that role.

    Materia itself has no actual "value" to it, so you're not adding 40 points of determination, you're adding a flat 25% of the maximum the dungeon will allow so it remains capped. If it would break the content, then the developers can make 100% bonus in one dungeon be like doubling the stat, where in another dungeon it would be near zero. Thus every dungeon can have optimal configurations, not a one-size-fits-everything.

    Now as I said above I don't really think this is any better, as it's just pushing the gear creep from being something that we buy with tomes, to the materia system. Even if materia was left with adding points (and thus stat capped instead of ilevel synced), it would just create incentive for players to run content until they've pokemon'd the materia they want and then there's no longer any value in playing the content once they got their glamour, if they even want it at all.
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  3. #153
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    hynaku4494's Avatar
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    Sena Himeko
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 60
    I know there sure is lack of content or my fc wouldn't be so dead all the time. we have a lot new players join fc then they just quit the game. Very bad when wait months for more content that only takes few days to finish then wait another few more months for more to be added. Only thing keeping me going is the namazu beast tribe once its at max rank not sure what I will do next. Just hope new area of eureka is out by then.
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