DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[MoroMurasaki]

Honestly, look at the post history in this thread. If you still believe I am in the wrong, I will have to blacklist you. Seriously.

Blacklist me as well, I think you are squarely in the wrong despite not even fully understanding your position because you refuse to articulate it.

People are asking you point blank questions and you aren't answering them. There's a certain amount of disrespect in that as well. You know what they say about stones and glass houses?

[Issac]

Blacklist me as well, I think you are squarely in the wrong despite not even fully understanding your position because you refuse to articulate it.

People are asking you point blank questions and you aren't answering them. There's a certain amount of disrespect in that as well. You know what they say about stones and glass houses?

Do me a kindness and point out the questions I am not answering?

[Dualgunner]

Do me a kindness and point out the questions I am not answering?

What exactly is your position on the subject of the thread?

Eh, back on track, they probably should just force everyone to do 5k on a dummy before being able to do savage as that job. Just gatekeep already, and let the savage people complain how they can't find anyone if not enough people improve to that level. Someone who can do that probably would learn the rest when taught.

I mean, this is not about helping others to improve, its about getting the baddies out. I wish people would just admit this. Even if we have a dedicated parser, no one is forced to use it, so you'll just be back here complaining again if they do when you really just want better gatekeeping measures and freedom from fear of harassment if you kick for dps. Just lock the thing up behind a maat fight and then accept you are going to have a smaller but better population.

Is this thread a good one? I would say it isn't. It takes a negative view on a question that OP had already asked in a completely separate thread.

However, you always seem to have the worst assumptions and opinions of savage raiders. "This is not about helping others improve, it's about getting the baddies out." Maybe that's how you would act if you were a raider, and that's why you assume the worst of others, but honestly, in the right situations (ie, in the balance discord, not in a raid pug) people are incredibly willing to help out with class education and practice at any level.

[Issac]

What exactly is your position on the subject of the thread?

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

[Dualgunner]

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

What about the subject makes you sick to your stomach?

That people can be as low as 4k in savage? That people complain 4k is too high a bar to set as average in savage? That the topic hasn't been broached yet? That it's been broached before? That it's been broached at all?

[Issac]

What about the subject makes you sick to your stomach?

That people can be as low as 4k in savage? That people complain 4k is too high a bar to set as average in savage? That the topic hasn't been broached yet? That it's been broached before? That it's been broached at all?

That we, as a community, can be so toxic to eachother.

Also, I never attacked anyone. That's a very inaccurate statement.

[Dualgunner]

That we, as a community, can be so toxic to eachother.

Also, I never attacked anyone. That's a very inaccurate statement.

You're a prime example of this. Also, you've been very hostile and obtuse your entire time in this thread, and frankly it's appalling how hard you're trying to spin this around.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

And you followed that up with "This person seems to have painted a picture of me."

You quoted no one, thus people assumed you were comparing yourself to the thread title. If that wasn't the intention, why not establish instead of being willfully obtuse? It's pretty simply to explain why this thread disgusts you.

[RiyahArp]

people are incredibly willing to help out with class education and practice at any level.

If you guys were serious about that you'd already be doing it with your FC mates and building up a stable of people to play with who hit that dps target. You'd be making in-game FCs about raiding and mentoring them there, which is what older MMOs did with their raid populations. There's nothing stopping people from doing it already, the parser doesn't matter one bit. The fact that people need to constantly complain about people in ex and savage shows to me that no, they are not like that and won't ever will be, because they are too used to viewing people as burdens you resent carrying if they don't measure up.

The constant annoyance with and ranking of dps does not really show me that raiders are that kind of chill people, at least the ones who care about it aren't. I don't blame them, because Se made a gameplay style where yeah, you are a burden because there is no second string force in a savage raid; no place for people who aren't skilled enough, like the raise brigades of some mmo fights. It isn't fun wiping and disbanding due to one player, I've been on both sides of that. Just wish people would be honest about it, because if they ask for a parser it won't solve the problems or use terms like garbage, burden, carry, etc, its not really this disinterested mentor stuff.

[Dualgunner]

If you guys were serious about that you'd already be doing it with your FC mates and building up a stable of people to play with who hit that dps target.

Don't need to be in an FC when there's a discord full of people across all servers and data centers who are infinitely better equipped to help than an FC lead.

You'd be making in-game FCs about raiding and mentoring them there, which is what older MMOs did with their raid populations.

Besides which, there are plenty of raid-centric FCs.

There's nothing stopping people from doing it already, the parser doesn't matter one bit.

The parser matters a lot for calculating the best practical way to mix and match abilities, and carve forward a path for others to follow. It's an essential tool for number crunching a game so vague it doesn't even fully describe what half it's stats do.

The fact that people need to constantly complain about people in ex and savage shows to me that no, they are not like that and won't ever will be, because they are too used to viewing people as burdens you resent carrying if they don't measure up.

Then how am I supposed to view you, who are apparently too biased and angry at raiders to ever see another viewpoint? In a farm party is not the time to be learning your job. In a farm party is not the time to be learning the fight. In a farm party is not the place to expect to get tips on how to use a Summoner's pets. In a discord like the Balance, which is free and open for all to join, however, people are ready and willing to help at almost all hours of the day.