DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Maeka]

My personal opinion is that, if the in-game parser was significantly lacking in the way ACT+FFLogs work with one another in tandem, people who utilize ACT+FFLogs will probably still continue to use those tools just because they can be very comprehensive when used properly. I’m not sure why you think the tool is sketchy though. Would you mind explaining why you consider it “sketchy”? Is it just because it’s a third-party tool you have to download, install, and that reads the game data?

Some people are nervous about installing anything that's third-party, especially after the repeated warnings about "Third Party Tools" in the ToS and such. And you know how Windower was back during FFXI days, where it was a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of affair, where I don't think anybody got banned, but rumors flew around of a few who did, and there'd be a "yea huh/nah-uh" thing going around whether or not that was actually true.

A lot of people stepped back and said "I dun wanna risk it....." and just didn't use it at all.

That and at the end of the day, I think the only people who really care about parsing, are the people who want to get into higher end endgame content. Your average joes, they don't really care as long as stuff dies and quests get completed.

It is sad that Yoshi-P is hesitant to include DPS meters as part of the game, but then if you look at WoW, you'll understand why. I have personally seen toxic players berating each other and e-peen waving, it's ugly and I'd rather not see it here in FFXIV. The fact that only some endgame raiders use parsing tools, and the fact that said players are rarely found (or they are rarely bothered to care except for the most egregious examples of poor play) in Duty Finder content means that there's a nil chance that you're ever going to get crap thrown at you if you put out a less-than-stellar performance.

I'd rather have this... than have what goes on in WoW. There's a reason I don't do dungeons in WoW all that often. That would be one.

[akaneakki]

Let people do low dps and then go in groups where everyone is as low as them, then they can just start judge the others for doing bad, without realizing they are very low on the actual performance themselves. I mean, this debate has been going on for a long time, in different forms and what not here on the forum. We just need to deal with the people who don't want to get good or be better or simply just utilize the kick button.

[SaitoHikari]

Well, if there's one thing to be said, it's that SE's stance on parsing seems to have really lightened up as of late. Either because they realize that actively punishing people who parse (without harassing anyone else with it) would lead to the raid community getting gutted, and/or it's so common now that actively discouraging it like they used to in the past would be a really bad look when actual problems like hackers and botters are still so rampant within the game.

I remember that when I first started playing at the start of Heavensward, people warned me in particular to not talk about parsing period on these forums because of a story of how one of the most prominent DRG guide writers got banned from here, because he merely included a screenshot/video in his guide where a parsing overlay was on display. That story tells me why that Reddit Balance discord exists, and it tells me why there's such a huge rift between the English community, split between 2 websites (these forums and Reddit). These forums *do not* lend themselves well to guide writing for various reasons I'm sure don't have to be explained, and on top of that, it seems the official forums have an incredibly low population of actual raiders that actively post on it.

At least now we can somewhat have a discussion on parsing without forum bans being handed out over it. Though a lot of people are being disingenuous over it.

I do wonder what the JP community stance on parsing is, actually. Their debates don't seem to get anywhere near as heated as ours. The last time I looked over and found a heated thread that might be considered shameful by any means was when male bunny suits were revealed.

[MageBlack]

My personal opinion is that, if the in-game parser was significantly lacking in the way ACT+FFLogs work with one another in tandem, people who utilize ACT+FFLogs will probably still continue to use those tools just because they can be very comprehensive when used properly. I’m not sure why you think the tool is sketchy though. Would you mind explaining why you consider it “sketchy”? Is it just because it’s a third-party tool you have to download, install, and that reads the game data?

This is a whole other issue, lol. I'll try to clarify and not ramble too much.

I'm of a mind that if the game needed said mod, the devs would/should add it in to the game officially. Its a mark of poor game design if I need to download third party tools just to make your game playable. Honestly the game is perfectly playable without a parser but it is a handy dandy tool. I don't play any games with mods, at least not for long. I tried DBM from WoW for a bit, found it helpful but the game itself didnt hold my attention once I hit endgame. My son had installed a Mod for his WoW account, not sure which one, but it ended up adding a keylogger to his computer and his account got stolen. I got it corrected and recovered but that stood as a little lesson I've carried with me.

I tried to play Jak and Daxter the MMO... umm... sorry... what was it called again? Oh yeah. Wildstar. It actually looked like a lot of fun but when it came out I was pretty into FFXIV and had gotten really used to using the integrated controller setup. I kept asking if they were going to do something like what FFXIV does for their controller support but the best answer I got was "get X-padder" so I tried it out and it did not function as smoothly as I really needed/wanted it to. Eventually, with lack of integrated controller support, I gave up on the game. I felt the controller support would have really helped this game.

So, the chance of downloading unwanted software along side the 3rd party mods, mods not necessarily working as well as it should/could with the games systems (since they are not supposed to do it anyway), and its against the TOS to use 3rd party tools in the first place so I really dont want to take the chance of having my account banned. I know these reasons don't stop everyone but these are my reasons.

To even further get a gasp from people, yes I do play Skyrim, and yes I play it without ANY mods. I dont even download mod packs for Minecraft but I dont play it much to begin with. I know you are probably looking at me like I grew a third head right now but I would rather play games the way they were meant to be played/experienced. If I was meant to have a parser SE should provide one. Although I am curious how my WAR rotation and RDM rotation stack up against the best of the best. I guess I will never know

[whiskeybravo]

Nah, 4k DPS isn't garbage tier. This is garbage tier lol

[Hakuro89]

Nah, 4k DPS isn't garbage tier. This is garbage tier lol

One, what the actual hell. Were they auto attacking?

And two, you REALLY might wanna delete that post.

[jameseoakes]

This thread is getting really bad, and shows why FFlogs the way it is currently setup is such a bad thing for the community. People really need to stop with the naming and shaming, it's really unseemly.

[HyoMinPark]

This thread is getting really bad, and shows why FFlogs is such a bad thing for the community. People really need to stop with the naming and shaming, it's really unseemly.

There was literally one incident that you could even call “naming and shaming”. Go back and read the entire thread, please.

[jameseoakes]

There was literally one incident that you could even call “naming and shaming”. Go back and read the entire thread, please.

I've seen at least two

[MageBlack]

I've seen at least two

Careful, we arent allowed to look at any flaws, only the good parts.