DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Sunako]

Thats why sss demand more than content actually need dps. Even if you lose little dps due mechanics, you can still clear the content. Sss more likely tell you are you ready for the content.

[Nemekh]

Well Stone Sky and Sea does help yes but you have no moving targets or mechanics to deal with.
Parsers do help but only way some of us can get numbers is by asking as the console crowd does not have any parsers. Which i wish someone would make an app

Ayy was working on one for consoles but I honestly have no idea re: the current status. Probably fell through.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

This person seems to have painted a picture of me.

Are you a 4k DPS? How about instead of taking this as a personal attack, look at how you can improve? We all started at the bottom once upon a time. Some people are more diplomatic than others with their opinions, but that doesn't change the fact you can always improve if you do desire.

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

From the Frankfurt FanFest 2017.

And their solution was pointless job gauges and Stone, Sky, Sea, neither of which accomplished anything. In fact, the skill gap has only increased because players have no way of learning without using a third party tool, youtube guides or asking better players—all of whom have a parse going. Since we can't talk about numbers, you see people disband after two attempts or kick in silence. How does that benefit the community?

Toxic people will be toxic, a parser doesn't magically make anything worse.

Thats why sss demand more than content actually need dps. Even if you lose little dps due mechanics, you can still clear the content. Sss more likely tell you are you ready for the content.

You will accomplish the same hitting a train dummy for an hour. That does not mean it teaches you how to translate that into an actual raid setting. Fights like Guardian and God Kefka have numerous mechanics they will throw at you. Without knowing how to balance, you aren't going to lose "a few DPS."

[Maero]

Ayy was working on one for consoles but I honestly have no idea re: the current status. Probably fell through.

That is a shame i would have loved a parser app and even a discord app for PS4

[MageBlack]

I see the usefullness, I've used parsers myself in the past on other MMO's. Havent used one yet with this game because I see no need to use one. I dont raid much anymore but even when I did our raid leader took care of those stats for us. In those situations its a great tool. but when someone uses it in a dungeon roulette, where you could pretty much do the run blindfolded, just so they can single someone out as a "bad" player, thats where its a problem.

What would be nice for SE to add in is a statistic board at the end of a dungeon that looks like the stat board at the end of a PvP match, Damage dealt, Healing done, Health restored, Kill/Death/Assist ratios, that sort of thing. If SE adds in a proper parser I would probably only use it for myself.

I came to this page the other day and started to skim through the comments (yeah, yeah, crucify me for skimming) and picked up on a lot of aggression towards "garbage tier players" and it reminded me of the Q&A i posted above where it was explicitly said they didnt want to give players more reason to be dicks towards one another. A lot of the comments here really shone a light on that.

I do find the reactions to even the slightest hint of opposition towards a parser to be quite interesting. Also, thank you guys for telling me how I think. I wouldnt know what to think without you!

[Issac]

Another painting

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

[HyoMinPark]

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

You clearly haven’t read the entire thread; you’re just speaking on your own bias against parsers. Because most of the people in here are being immensely civilized when discussing their opinions on “is 4k DPS garbage tier”. I strongly urge you to go read it again, and try to see past your own prejudices.

I do find the reactions to even the slightest hint of opposition towards a parser to be quite interesting. Also, thank you guys for telling me how I think. I wouldnt know what to think without you!

We’re going off of what you said. Just saying. :/ Maybe next time you can open with a clearer position like you did in this post, rather than just being like “And this is why parsers are bad!!!!!!!!” without saying anything else. Laying off of the passive-aggressive remarks also helps. Just a few suggestions.

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

I don’t see how it’s “painting a picture of you” when you have painted your own bias as clear as day—your posts are nothing but anti-parsers, and it doesn’t take a genius to see that. If, somehow, your position is different, why don’t you try clarifying instead of making passive-aggressive remarks. To be honest, that paints you as the toxic one in here, not those who are talking numbers. :/

[MageBlack]

You clearly haven’t read the entire thread; you’re just speaking on your own bias against parsers. Because most of the people in here are being immensely civilized when discussing their opinions on “is 4k DPS garbage tier”. I strongly urge you to go read it again, and try to see past your own prejudices.

We’re going off of what you said. Just saying. :/ Maybe next time you can open with a clearer position like you did in this post, rather than just being like “And this is why parsers are bad!!!!!!!!” without saying anything else. Laying off of the passive-aggressive remarks also helps. Just a few suggestions.

I thought what I said was pretty straight forward. SE has stated an official position regarding Parsers and this thread contained some great examples of how parsers cause problems. That's all. Everything else taken from those statements is the reader projecting.

Sorry for the sarcastic comment, sometimes my cheeky sense of humor gets away from me and I forget sarcasm and intonation are lost in text. I hoped the winky face would have helped convey that but I guess I was wrong. No malice was intended even though i was rather confused why you took what you did from my comment.

Stating facts, or asserting somewhat obvious bias? Also an emphasis on "Once that happens, we will consider it."

It's not a done and dusted matter. Especially given more things spoken about regarding ACT use in recent interviews.

Exactly, and that was a fact too. I would much prefer a proper, in-game parser instead of using sketchy 3rd party tools. Thats a whole other side to this parser problem.

[HyoMinPark]

I thought what I said was pretty straight forward. SE has stated an official position regarding Parsers and this thread contained some great examples of how parsers cause problems. That's all. Everything else taken from those statements is the reader projecting.

Sorry for the sarcastic comment, sometimes my cheeky sense of humor gets away from me and I forget sarcasm and intonation are lost in text. I hoped the winky face would have helped convey that but I guess I was wrong. No malice was intended even though i was rather confused why you took what you did from my comment.

I was aware of the sarcasm/sardonic nature of the comment. And I’m not trying to be malicious either, but your comments in this thread up until the one with the quote and your more clearer position on parsers were pretty biased towards anti-parser with no real “why” as to...well, why. The prior posts were nothing more than “this is why parsers shouldn’t be a thing”, and perhaps I shouldn’t have made the assumption, but I’ve been in just about every parser debate on this forum, and generally anti-parser comments are just like those, and they tend to not want to see past what they believe is right and look at the other side. I apologize for making that assumption of you, and I appreciate your more clarified stance on it all the same.

Exactly, and that was a fact too. I would much prefer a proper, in-game parser instead of using sketchy 3rd party tools. Thats a whole other side to this parser problem.

My personal opinion is that, if the in-game parser was significantly lacking in the way ACT+FFLogs work with one another in tandem, people who utilize ACT+FFLogs will probably still continue to use those tools just because they can be very comprehensive when used properly. I’m not sure why you think the tool is sketchy though. Would you mind explaining why you consider it “sketchy”? Is it just because it’s a third-party tool you have to download, install, and that reads the game data?

[MageBlack]

I was aware of the sarcasm/sardonic nature of the comment. And I’m not trying to be malicious either, but your comments in this thread up until the one with the quote and your more clearer position on parsers were pretty biased towards anti-parser with no real “why” as to...well, why. The prior posts were nothing more than “this is why parsers shouldn’t be a thing”, and perhaps I shouldn’t have made the assumption, but I’ve been in just about every parser debate on this forum, and generally anti-parser comments are just like those, and they tend to not want to see past what they believe is right and look at the other side. I apologize for making that assumption of you, and I appreciate your more clarified stance on it all the same.

You are right, I probably should have lead with that. I think I have just been on these forums for way too long and seen so many times where I have taken up to an hour to write a well thought out post only to get no response or a "K...". Yeah, I wasnt even trying to say I agreed with their stance at all (cause I dont) just that this is the official stance provided, things may change eventually, being assholes to each other on the forums over it is not the best way to prove your point (not you specifically).

Now that I have read more of the posts more carefully I do see more backlash than support of the OP. Honestly I dont really care one way or the other, i see both sides and would rather see good arguments for something than bad arguments. I do see how what I was saying could be anti-parser but it was a one sentence comment, really not much to go off of. I will try to be a little clearer from the get go next time.