DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[HyoMinPark]

This thread makes me feel sick to my stomach...

Any time someone asks me "Why doesnt SE have a Parser in the game" I will point to this thread. This is exactly why they dont have one and dont condone them.

And both of you are focusing on the negatives surrounding parsers and DPS rather than the posters that are advocating for improvement, or even saying that 4,000 DPS is not terrible depending on the context behind the number (type of content, gear, job, number of deaths, rotation, etc.). Too many people are blinded by their prejudices to see the other side, and I'm sorry but these two posts speak to that.

I'll just repeat my story of the SAM in TsukuEx doing 2,800 DPS against a BRD doing 5,000 with a death...and the SAM was the one berating the BRD and saying they were trash. When clearly, the numbers prove otherwise. And I feel confident in saying the SAM was not using a parser, otherwise he wouldn't have been acting like the God of DPS. But only people who parse are "toxic", right?

[MageBlack]

And both of you are focusing on the negatives surrounding parsers and DPS rather than the posters that are advocating for improvement, or even saying that 4,000 DPS is not terrible depending on the context behind the number (type of content, gear, job, number of deaths, rotation, etc.). Too many people are blinded by their prejudices to see the other side, and I'm sorry but these two posts speak to that.

I'll just repeat my story of the SAM in TsukuEx doing 2,800 DPS against a BRD doing 5,000 with a death...and the SAM was the one berating the BRD and saying they were trash. When clearly, the numbers prove otherwise. And I feel confident in saying the SAM was not using a parser, otherwise he wouldn't have been acting like the God of DPS. But only people who parse are "toxic", right?

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

Q: Can we have an official in game parser for only ourselves? Especially for PS4 players.
A: No. I 100% understand that you want to see your DPS, but then people will demand to know your DPS and there will be fights. And it would then mean someone would take the tool, and make it so you can see everyone’s. And we understand fully that people want this tool to get better themselves, but we are certain that it will lead to fighting. But we are always considering it for the future. So, during 3.X we saw the skill gap between good and bad players increase, which is why we are focusing on re-developing our battle system to close the gap. Once that happens, we will consider it. But now, it would just hurt the community. I’m not sure if I can say this, but we are working on a system that doesn’t display a number but may be a system that you can try and then try again, to make yourself better. Hmmm. It’s probably never been done on an MMO before.

From the Frankfurt FanFest 2017.

[Nemekh]

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

From the Frankfurt FanFest 2017.

Stating facts, or asserting somewhat obvious bias? Also an emphasis on "Once that happens, we will consider it."

It's not a done and dusted matter. Especially given more things spoken about regarding ACT use in recent interviews.

[Asiragan]

Q: Can we have an official in game parser for only ourselves? Especially for PS4 players.
A: No. I 100% understand that you want to see your DPS, but then people will demand to know your DPS and there will be fights. And it would then mean someone would take the tool, and make it so you can see everyone’s. And we understand fully that peoplewant this tool to get better themselves, but we are certain that it will lead to fighting. But we are always considering it for the future. So, during 3.X we saw the skill gap between good and bad players increase, which is why we are focusing on re-developing our battle system to close the gap. Once that happens, we will consider it. But now, it would just hurt the community. I’m not sure if I can say this, but we are working on a system that doesn’t display a number but may be a system that you can try and then try again, to make yourself better. Hmmm. It’s probably never been done on an MMO before.

So, instead of hurting the community by showing them the hard truth with an in-game tool and by letting fight happen, it's preferable to let the community hurt herself with a third party tool and by letting rampant hypocrisy going around while the fight still happens anyway.

Seems like a coward point of view to me.


Plus, I don't think anyone on this topic actually said that everyone should be at god-tier level, that would just be stupid. But people should still aim to at least no be a burden for the other member of the party.

If the fight is cleared while a dps stayed at 3k dps the whole duration, it doesn't mean that this person did the job. It just means that the other party members were just good enough to carry a dead weight.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

This person seems to have painted a picture of me.

Are you a 4k DPS? How about instead of taking this as a personal attack, look at how you can improve? We all started at the bottom once upon a time. Some people are more diplomatic than others with their opinions, but that doesn't change the fact you can always improve if you do desire.

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

From the Frankfurt FanFest 2017.

And their solution was pointless job gauges and Stone, Sky, Sea, neither of which accomplished anything. In fact, the skill gap has only increased because players have no way of learning without using a third party tool, youtube guides or asking better players—all of whom have a parse going. Since we can't talk about numbers, you see people disband after two attempts or kick in silence. How does that benefit the community?

Toxic people will be toxic, a parser doesn't magically make anything worse.

Thats why sss demand more than content actually need dps. Even if you lose little dps due mechanics, you can still clear the content. Sss more likely tell you are you ready for the content.

You will accomplish the same hitting a train dummy for an hour. That does not mean it teaches you how to translate that into an actual raid setting. Fights like Guardian and God Kefka have numerous mechanics they will throw at you. Without knowing how to balance, you aren't going to lose "a few DPS."

[Issac]

Another painting

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

[HyoMinPark]

I'm only stating the facts. SE and Yoshi-P have officially came out and said why there are no parsers. This thread only proves his point.

You clearly haven’t read the entire thread; you’re just speaking on your own bias against parsers. Because most of the people in here are being immensely civilized when discussing their opinions on “is 4k DPS garbage tier”. I strongly urge you to go read it again, and try to see past your own prejudices.

I do find the reactions to even the slightest hint of opposition towards a parser to be quite interesting. Also, thank you guys for telling me how I think. I wouldnt know what to think without you!

We’re going off of what you said. Just saying. :/ Maybe next time you can open with a clearer position like you did in this post, rather than just being like “And this is why parsers are bad!!!!!!!!” without saying anything else. Laying off of the passive-aggressive remarks also helps. Just a few suggestions.

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

I don’t see how it’s “painting a picture of you” when you have painted your own bias as clear as day—your posts are nothing but anti-parsers, and it doesn’t take a genius to see that. If, somehow, your position is different, why don’t you try clarifying instead of making passive-aggressive remarks. To be honest, that paints you as the toxic one in here, not those who are talking numbers. :/

[MageBlack]

You clearly haven’t read the entire thread; you’re just speaking on your own bias against parsers. Because most of the people in here are being immensely civilized when discussing their opinions on “is 4k DPS garbage tier”. I strongly urge you to go read it again, and try to see past your own prejudices.

We’re going off of what you said. Just saying. :/ Maybe next time you can open with a clearer position like you did in this post, rather than just being like “And this is why parsers are bad!!!!!!!!” without saying anything else. Laying off of the passive-aggressive remarks also helps. Just a few suggestions.

I thought what I said was pretty straight forward. SE has stated an official position regarding Parsers and this thread contained some great examples of how parsers cause problems. That's all. Everything else taken from those statements is the reader projecting.

Sorry for the sarcastic comment, sometimes my cheeky sense of humor gets away from me and I forget sarcasm and intonation are lost in text. I hoped the winky face would have helped convey that but I guess I was wrong. No malice was intended even though i was rather confused why you took what you did from my comment.

Stating facts, or asserting somewhat obvious bias? Also an emphasis on "Once that happens, we will consider it."

It's not a done and dusted matter. Especially given more things spoken about regarding ACT use in recent interviews.

Exactly, and that was a fact too. I would much prefer a proper, in-game parser instead of using sketchy 3rd party tools. Thats a whole other side to this parser problem.

[HyoMinPark]

I thought what I said was pretty straight forward. SE has stated an official position regarding Parsers and this thread contained some great examples of how parsers cause problems. That's all. Everything else taken from those statements is the reader projecting.

Sorry for the sarcastic comment, sometimes my cheeky sense of humor gets away from me and I forget sarcasm and intonation are lost in text. I hoped the winky face would have helped convey that but I guess I was wrong. No malice was intended even though i was rather confused why you took what you did from my comment.

I was aware of the sarcasm/sardonic nature of the comment. And I’m not trying to be malicious either, but your comments in this thread up until the one with the quote and your more clearer position on parsers were pretty biased towards anti-parser with no real “why” as to...well, why. The prior posts were nothing more than “this is why parsers shouldn’t be a thing”, and perhaps I shouldn’t have made the assumption, but I’ve been in just about every parser debate on this forum, and generally anti-parser comments are just like those, and they tend to not want to see past what they believe is right and look at the other side. I apologize for making that assumption of you, and I appreciate your more clarified stance on it all the same.

Exactly, and that was a fact too. I would much prefer a proper, in-game parser instead of using sketchy 3rd party tools. Thats a whole other side to this parser problem.

My personal opinion is that, if the in-game parser was significantly lacking in the way ACT+FFLogs work with one another in tandem, people who utilize ACT+FFLogs will probably still continue to use those tools just because they can be very comprehensive when used properly. I’m not sure why you think the tool is sketchy though. Would you mind explaining why you consider it “sketchy”? Is it just because it’s a third-party tool you have to download, install, and that reads the game data?

[MageBlack]

I was aware of the sarcasm/sardonic nature of the comment. And I’m not trying to be malicious either, but your comments in this thread up until the one with the quote and your more clearer position on parsers were pretty biased towards anti-parser with no real “why” as to...well, why. The prior posts were nothing more than “this is why parsers shouldn’t be a thing”, and perhaps I shouldn’t have made the assumption, but I’ve been in just about every parser debate on this forum, and generally anti-parser comments are just like those, and they tend to not want to see past what they believe is right and look at the other side. I apologize for making that assumption of you, and I appreciate your more clarified stance on it all the same.

You are right, I probably should have lead with that. I think I have just been on these forums for way too long and seen so many times where I have taken up to an hour to write a well thought out post only to get no response or a "K...". Yeah, I wasnt even trying to say I agreed with their stance at all (cause I dont) just that this is the official stance provided, things may change eventually, being assholes to each other on the forums over it is not the best way to prove your point (not you specifically).

Now that I have read more of the posts more carefully I do see more backlash than support of the OP. Honestly I dont really care one way or the other, i see both sides and would rather see good arguments for something than bad arguments. I do see how what I was saying could be anti-parser but it was a one sentence comment, really not much to go off of. I will try to be a little clearer from the get go next time.