DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[MoroMurasaki]

Honestly, look at the post history in this thread. If you still believe I am in the wrong, I will have to blacklist you. Seriously.

Blacklist me as well, I think you are squarely in the wrong despite not even fully understanding your position because you refuse to articulate it.

People are asking you point blank questions and you aren't answering them. There's a certain amount of disrespect in that as well. You know what they say about stones and glass houses?

[Issac]

Blacklist me as well, I think you are squarely in the wrong despite not even fully understanding your position because you refuse to articulate it.

People are asking you point blank questions and you aren't answering them. There's a certain amount of disrespect in that as well. You know what they say about stones and glass houses?

Do me a kindness and point out the questions I am not answering?

[RiyahArp]

Eh, back on track, they probably should just force everyone to do 5k on a dummy before being able to do savage as that job. Just gatekeep already, and let the savage people complain how they can't find anyone if not enough people improve to that level. Someone who can do that probably would learn the rest when taught.

I mean, this is not about helping others to improve, its about getting the baddies out. I wish people would just admit this. Even if we have a dedicated parser, no one is forced to use it, so you'll just be back here complaining again if they do when you really just want better gatekeeping measures and freedom from fear of harassment if you kick for dps. Just lock the thing up behind a maat fight and then accept you are going to have a smaller but better population.

[Dualgunner]

Do me a kindness and point out the questions I am not answering?

What exactly is your position on the subject of the thread?

Eh, back on track, they probably should just force everyone to do 5k on a dummy before being able to do savage as that job. Just gatekeep already, and let the savage people complain how they can't find anyone if not enough people improve to that level. Someone who can do that probably would learn the rest when taught.

I mean, this is not about helping others to improve, its about getting the baddies out. I wish people would just admit this. Even if we have a dedicated parser, no one is forced to use it, so you'll just be back here complaining again if they do when you really just want better gatekeeping measures and freedom from fear of harassment if you kick for dps. Just lock the thing up behind a maat fight and then accept you are going to have a smaller but better population.

Is this thread a good one? I would say it isn't. It takes a negative view on a question that OP had already asked in a completely separate thread.

However, you always seem to have the worst assumptions and opinions of savage raiders. "This is not about helping others improve, it's about getting the baddies out." Maybe that's how you would act if you were a raider, and that's why you assume the worst of others, but honestly, in the right situations (ie, in the balance discord, not in a raid pug) people are incredibly willing to help out with class education and practice at any level.

[Issac]

What exactly is your position on the subject of the thread?

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

[HyoMinPark]

You're nitpicking, honestly. The first post was obviously directed at the one making assumptions about me in the post directly prior...

Because your first post in this thread was this:

This thread makes me feel sick to my stomach...

Which elaborated nothing positive with regards to the current topic (which had shifted from “opinions on is 4k DPS good or bad” to “parsers”), hence why I responded as such:

And both of you are focusing on the negatives surrounding parsers and DPS rather than the posters that are advocating for improvement, or even saying that 4,000 DPS is not terrible depending on the context behind the number (type of content, gear, job, number of deaths, rotation, etc.). Too many people are blinded by their prejudices to see the other side, and I'm sorry but these two posts speak to that.

I'll just repeat my story of the SAM in TsukuEx doing 2,800 DPS against a BRD doing 5,000 with a death...and the SAM was the one berating the BRD and saying they were trash. When clearly, the numbers prove otherwise. And I feel confident in saying the SAM was not using a parser, otherwise he wouldn't have been acting like the God of DPS. But only people who parse are "toxic", right?

MageBlack was kind enough to elaborate why he felt the way he did, and I appreciated his response. You, on the other hand, replied with another vague post that elaborated nothing:

This person seems to have painted a picture of me.

And did this a few more times afterwards:

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

lol what? At least get your faces straight before criticizing a stranger, rofl xD

See that tiny graphic next to your name in the quote? The one with the tiny 2 white triangles? Click that. See my name quoted in that(your) post? Yes, I'm referring to that.

I am saying you are making claims about me that are simply not true. I don't know why I need to spell this out.

Why don’t you say what you want to say without being passive-aggressive, vague, or rude about it? I asked you no less than twice to do just that if you held anything other than a negative view towards this thread topic (because your first post came off negative), and you have yet to actually do just that, instead accusing me of “painting you” or making up “patently false” claims about your posting history when you have said nothing at all constructive to this thread. Or nothing at all about clarifying/elaborating on your position. Is that really so hard to do?

Both that post and the second I quoted, when referencing PAINTERS, were making unbased assumptions of me. It's pretty frustrating, to say the least. And you yourself make claims about my posting history that are patently false. Everything about it is pretty damn offensive and disrespectful. All the more reason I should feel disgusted.

Clarify your position if you don’t want people to make negative assumptions about you. Coming into a thread saying “this thread makes me sick to my stomach” is hardly a positive comment. And your passive-aggressive remarks afterwards even less so.

Also, refusing requests to elaborate on the why is also pretty rude, and gives people nothing to go off of other than your first negative response. Which wasn’t very constructive or thorough.

Yes. All of this is very, very disgusting. Take a step back, a deep breath, and consider how you are treating your peers.

You have said nothing constructive in this thread, and instead are accusing me of being the disrespectful one here when you continue to beat around the bush, and refuse to answer my request to clarify your position on parsers/the debate at hand, responding instead with passive-aggressiveness and sarcasm. I think you are the one who needs to take a few steps back, a few deep breaths, and consider the way you are acting in this thread, which has been largely civil up until the last few pages.

[Asiragan]

All right, then.

Your first post said this :

This thread makes me feel sick to my stomach...

What about it make you feel sick? The parsers? Or the person against the parses? Or the whole "dps thingy" perhaps? You just say that and don't elaborate further.

Then you answer, right after HyoMinPark :

This person seems to have painted a picture of me.

What does this even mean? Again, you don't elaborate. The meaning may be obvious to you, but to most of the readers it is not. And how are we supposed to know you were responding to MageBlack without quotation mark?


You then quote Bourne_Endeavor and answer her with :

A lotta aspiring painters, it would seem :/

My point is the same that for the post above. While they all make clear that they don't understand you, you still don't elaborate any further.


And then :

lol what? At least get your faces straight before criticizing a stranger, rofl xD

Of course she would call you toxic. How many people actually understood whatever you wanted to say, here?


If you don't have time, or are to lazy to write an understandable post on the forum, then it's better if you don't write anything at all.


So yeah, you are in the wrong. Please BL me.

Can we get back to the topic at hand, now?

[Dualgunner]

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

What about the subject makes you sick to your stomach?

That people can be as low as 4k in savage? That people complain 4k is too high a bar to set as average in savage? That the topic hasn't been broached yet? That it's been broached before? That it's been broached at all?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

My position is that the subject makes me feel sick to my stomach... I already said this.

And you followed that up with "This person seems to have painted a picture of me."

You quoted no one, thus people assumed you were comparing yourself to the thread title. If that wasn't the intention, why not establish instead of being willfully obtuse? It's pretty simply to explain why this thread disgusts you.

[Issac]

And both of you are focusing on the negatives surrounding parsers and DPS

This was making an assumption on my stance.

Are you a 4k DPS? How about instead of taking this as a personal attack, look at how you can improve? We all started at the bottom once upon a time. Some people are more diplomatic than others with their opinions, but that doesn't change the fact you can always improve if you do desire.

Another assumption, and quite frankly, rude.

I don’t see how it’s “painting a picture of you” when you have painted your own bias as clear as day—your posts are nothing but anti-parsers, and it doesn’t take a genius to see that. If, somehow, your position is different, why don’t you try clarifying instead of making passive-aggressive remarks. To be honest, that paints you as the toxic one in here, not those who are talking numbers. :/

Annnd the false claim. I never said anything about being against parsers, ever. Period. In fact, I intentionally withhold my opinions for the very reason I have three people dogpiling me at this very moment. See, the post history in this thread, and the actions of you few, has been pretty acidic. You want to put words in my mouth? Fine. This is a damn joke.