Only 2/5 Endgame content currently viable, why?

[Murugan]

i hope you know i was agreeing with you and that i think its getting petty of some of the "white knights" of this game come down to having to argue what endgame really is as part of the argument.

Being a player of FFXI it feels like we were spoiled with how much we had to do. This game has been a joke, and i still cant get it through my head how people WANT to pay for this game, or constantly give it pity for spending the last year trying to fix what was one of the worst things to come out of SE. Its an utter joke and we as customers should not have to pay a red cent until its up to their complete standards (aka: 2.0) ....its a giant revison with huge sweeping changes for a reason. If they were so confident with what we will have in 1.20 then 2.0 would never have been mentioned and everyone would have to accept it as what they consider ready to be re-released.....but its clearly not.

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.

I don't think I'd go that far. Though this is my biggest gripe it is an easy fix I think, all they need to do is:

1. Wipe achievements, and have the new achievements for all of the old major NM/Dungeons significant (granting rewards of some kind) to encourage people to redo them with the new combat system.
2. Eliminate personal loot lists on Primal fights.
3. Introduce a few high level NM's dropping relevant gear.

Endgame would instantly be 100% better than it is currently.

There is still time for them to do this before we start paying, or at least right after (holiday 1.20a patch?).

[Zanfire]

I don't think I'd go that far. Though this is my biggest gripe it is an easy fix I think, all they need to do is:

1. Wipe achievements, and have the new achievements for all of the old major NM/Dungeons significant (granting rewards of some kind) to encourage people to redo them with the new combat system.
2. Eliminate personal loot lists on Primal fights.
3. Introduce a few high level NM's dropping relevant gear.

Endgame would instantly be 100% better than it is currently.

There is still time for them to do this before we start paying, or at least right after (holiday 1.20a patch?).

your dreaming if you think it will happen lol. There is plenty they know they wish they could do, but can't due to the servers holding them back. They have some really grand and interesting ideas coming, but of course not until 2.0 can they happen. We will see limited content and certain changes plain old wont happen, which is why im personally not happy with them wanting people to pay pre-2.0. Its just asking for people to quit on them and for news to pick it up and give it a worse rep for charging when its clearly still broken.

[Zoltan]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

One instanced fight (Ifrit) and Strongholds NMs do not qualify as endgame.


The point that I was trying to make was that you cannot compare the current state of FFXIV to any other MMO because they have not even come close to 50%. It may be the state of things as they currently are today, but to complain about the endgame is an unfair comparison because they have not finished releasing content.

I am not supporting FFXIV. I am pointing out that this discussion is irrelevant because the product is not complete. When someone mentions endgame it implies that the game has content that could be considered complete.

[Ronik]

One instanced fight (Ifrit) and Strongholds NMs do not qualify as endgame.


The point that I was trying to make was that you cannot compare the current state of FFXIV to any other MMO because they have not even come close to 50%. It may be the state of things as they currently are today, but to complain about the endgame is an unfair comparison because they have not finished releasing content.

I am not supporting FFXIV. I am pointing out that this discussion is irrelevant because the product is not complete. When someone mentions endgame it implies that the game has content that could be considered complete.

Jesus Christ, this topic has become flooded with stupidity and inanity. Have you never played an MMO before? Since the original Everquest, the term "Endgame content" in an MMO has specifically referred to the content designed for players who are at level cap. It's that damned simple. This isn't chess. This isn't an argument about semantics. This is how MMO players have delineated between levelling content and level cap content since the very earliest MMOs. I know this because I've been playing MMOs for that long.

Right now, all the content designed for level cap players constitutes the endgame. The endgame will change and evolve as more content is added, but this doesn't change the first statement. The current endgame is composed of Ifrit/Stronghold/Darkhold/World NMs/Faction NMs.

[Zanfire]

^ weren't people spending all their time arguing that its not at 50% when it came to the topic of paying? people kept saying that was an old statement and that apparently when they start charging it will be where they want it (aka 100% because of the search and MW features)

funny how that turns around....

[Jennestia]

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.

If you don't want to pay for it, simply don't it's that simple -- They aren't forcing you to pay like you're making it out to be. If you could happily play this game while it's free then you should be able to pay to play for it, otherwise, you're free to not pay for it if it's that upsetting to you they'll begin charging.

[Zanfire]

If you don't want to pay for it, simply don't it's that simple -- They aren't forcing you to pay like you're making it out to be. If you could happily play this game while it's free then you should be able to pay to play for it, otherwise, you're free to not pay for it if it's that upsetting to you they'll begin charging.

Its the fact that this will only worsen the games rep. News sites will pick it up again when they charge (possibly semi-reviewing the changes) like they did when the charging for the game came up, but will ultimately bring up what many people are saying "why are they charging for a game now?".

The population of the game will drop off pretty decently, its inevitable. With that comes the point of loosing plenty of customers who decide its not worth paying for a year before its really ready, potentially loosing them to 1) other MMOs (plenty of new big ones otw by then) and 2) plain old forgetting about it or loosing interest. They might make some money doing this, but it will be a drop in the bucket compared to what they can do if they keep everyone whos playing now around until 2.0, likely keeping them playing for years to come because they fixed it like they promised.

I just dont see it being a smart idea (and im far from being along on this idea) even charging a discounted amount until 2.0

[Zoltan]

Jesus Christ, this topic has become flooded with stupidity and inanity. Have you never played an MMO before? Since the original Everquest, the term "Endgame content" in an MMO has specifically referred to the content designed for players who are at level cap. It's that damned simple. This isn't chess. This isn't an argument about semantics. This is how MMO players have delineated between levelling content and level cap content since the very earliest MMOs. I know this because I've been playing MMOs for that long.

Right now, all the content designed for level cap players constitutes the endgame. The endgame will change and evolve as more content is added, but this doesn't change the first statement. The current endgame is composed of Ifrit/Stronghold/Darkhold/World NMs/Faction NMs.

You can keep your religious comments to yourself.

It is truly amazing how many people on these forums attempt to invoke ad hominem attacks upon others to support their argument.


You cannot compare FFXIV to other endgame when they haven't even released advanced jobs yet. Why don't you compare it to Everquest '03 when the level cap was 50?

The OP was trying to say that he is bored because he just got one job to 50 and he thinks that he's at endgame and 2/5 are worth doing.

I disagree.

[Viridiana]

You cannot compare FFXIV to other endgame when they haven't even released advanced jobs yet. Why don't you compare it to Everquest '03 when the level cap was 50?

So, it would be fair to say that Naxxramas 40-man was never endgame, then? Since Blizzard hadn't even released, like, five of the playable races or two of the playable classes at that point. . .

[Teuciont]

You can keep your religious comments to yourself.

It is truly amazing how many people on these forums attempt to invoke ad hominem attacks upon others to support their argument.


You cannot compare FFXIV to other endgame when they haven't even released advanced jobs yet. Why don't you compare it to Everquest '03 when the level cap was 50?

The OP was trying to say that he is bored because he just got one job to 50 and he thinks that he's at endgame and 2/5 are worth doing.

I disagree.

...Where the hell did be bring up religion? What am I supposed to do now that I'm at 50? How is this not endgame? Are you telling me that leveling every job to 50 and then doing nothing with them is what I'm supposed to find fun? 2/5 are worth doing(MORE THAN ONCE) I don't understand how you can even deny that, it's not opinion, it's evidence in numbers via the stats on the gear and what they lack to offer in terms of any sort of latent ability or unique trait. Are you really going to tell me that there is no "endgame" right now? That Ifrit is just for leveling from 45-50? That when the devs were thinking up Ifrit, they thought "Man, this a great way for people to level to 50! We'll even make the weapon he drops for level 50's only so that they can equip it while they continue to fight him over and over!... oh, wait."?