Only 2/5 Endgame content currently viable, why?

[Teuciont]

Why do people suddenly think I'm against the way they're doing it now in 2.0? In 2.0 they'll have content to go through. Right now, they don't. Why is crafted gear so damn strong? Why can't gear from Darkhold/FactionNM/WorldNMs be viable? Being able to do Ifrit naked doesn't really help my argument, but why would I do any of those other things more than once if I could buy gear off the AH and materia as well much easier? Sure, you can do those things once, for the experience. But then that's it. There's NO point to do them again. But it's okay to do Ifrit over and over and over and over and over and over and over? And for what? The loot. I'm not saying "you have to play a MMO for the loot," I'm saying the experience that comes with finishing a dungeon or downing a powerful foe is THAT MUCH SWEETER when you get something that can help you down an even MORE powerful creature and make you feel even more powerful.

Am I supposed to feel like I'm roleplaying(here's the term RPG of MMORPG in play) when I can destroy a primal god with nothing but my briefs on? Am I supposed to feel worthy to be able to do battle with this lord of fire after having no(or needing no) prior accomplishments other than having killed loads of small fry Amalj'aa or Ixali? Wouldn't it be more fitting to go through rare monsters, Ogres, Demon Lords, Gigantic Buffaloes, a herd of Goats led by an elder?

[Murugan]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

[Zanfire]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

You know your defense of something is getting desperate when you have to try and argue definitions XD

[Murugan]

You know your defense of something is getting desperate when you have to try and argue definitions XD

Defense of what? This stuff is endgame, and it doesn't "not matter" to people at endgame just because there will hopefully be much better stuff down the road.

People at endgame, who enjoy endgame, for the most part want more to do at endgame than just 2 things. It isn't "defending" anything, it is just asking for a reasonable commitment for the money we pay for continued development of content for us to play.

When I play an MMO I pay a subscription for the continued development of endgame content (especially in the last 5 years as the rest doesn't last past the free month). I just want more activities than 2 things... I don't think that is too much to ask for at all. All it takes is a shift in their design philosophy or for them to develop more content.

At any one time for endgame (meaning the content that people do after they reach the level cap, and assuming they did all content up to that point) to consist of less than 5 separate encounters is insufficient. I have never played an MMO long term that had such few encounters.

I have progressed through content to the point where there were only a few fights relevant to me, but someone reaching 50 right now does not need to do darkhold/world NM's/faction NM's at all (except for "fun", in which case I guess we have 5,892 endgame activities if you count every high level mob in Mor Dhona as "endgame").

That's the gripe most people at endgame have right now, and the purpose of this thread. It doesn't matter how "challenging" they make the moogle fight, if that is all we have to do for the next 3 months it is going to get very repetitive. Something which could easily be solved by giving us more to do (either a reason to do the other stuff, or preferably some new content like a few high level NM's)

[Zanfire]

Defense of what? This stuff is endgame, and it doesn't "not matter" to people at endgame just because there will hopefully be much better stuff down the road.

People at endgame, who enjoy endgame, for the most part want more to do at endgame than just 2 things. It isn't "defending" anything, it is just asking for a reasonable commitment for the money we pay for continued development of content for us to play.

When I play an MMO I pay a subscription for the continued development of endgame content (especially in the last 5 years as the rest doesn't last past the free month). I just want more activities than 2 things... I don't think that is too much to ask for at all. All it takes is a shift in their design philosophy or for them to develop more content.

At any one time for endgame (meaning the content that people do after they reach the level cap, and assuming they did all content up to that point) to consist of less than 5 separate encounters is insufficient. I have never played an MMO long term that had such few encounters.

I have progressed through content to the point where there were only a few fights relevant to me, but someone reaching 50 right now does not need to do darkhold/world NM's/faction NM's at all (except for "fun", in which case I guess we have 5,892 endgame activities if you count every high level mob in Mor Dhona as "endgame").

That's the gripe most people at endgame have right now, and the purpose of this thread. It doesn't matter how "challenging" they make the moogle fight, if that is all we have to do for the next 3 months it is going to get very repetitive. Something which could easily be solved by giving us more to do (either a reason to do the other stuff, or preferably some new content like a few high level NM's)

i hope you know i was agreeing with you and that i think its getting petty of some of the "white knights" of this game come down to having to argue what endgame really is as part of the argument.

Being a player of FFXI it feels like we were spoiled with how much we had to do. This game has been a joke, and i still cant get it through my head how people WANT to pay for this game, or constantly give it pity for spending the last year trying to fix what was one of the worst things to come out of SE. Its an utter joke and we as customers should not have to pay a red cent until its up to their complete standards (aka: 2.0) ....its a giant revison with huge sweeping changes for a reason. If they were so confident with what we will have in 1.20 then 2.0 would never have been mentioned and everyone would have to accept it as what they consider ready to be re-released.....but its clearly not.

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.

[Murugan]

i hope you know i was agreeing with you and that i think its getting petty of some of the "white knights" of this game come down to having to argue what endgame really is as part of the argument.

Being a player of FFXI it feels like we were spoiled with how much we had to do. This game has been a joke, and i still cant get it through my head how people WANT to pay for this game, or constantly give it pity for spending the last year trying to fix what was one of the worst things to come out of SE. Its an utter joke and we as customers should not have to pay a red cent until its up to their complete standards (aka: 2.0) ....its a giant revison with huge sweeping changes for a reason. If they were so confident with what we will have in 1.20 then 2.0 would never have been mentioned and everyone would have to accept it as what they consider ready to be re-released.....but its clearly not.

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.

I don't think I'd go that far. Though this is my biggest gripe it is an easy fix I think, all they need to do is:

1. Wipe achievements, and have the new achievements for all of the old major NM/Dungeons significant (granting rewards of some kind) to encourage people to redo them with the new combat system.
2. Eliminate personal loot lists on Primal fights.
3. Introduce a few high level NM's dropping relevant gear.

Endgame would instantly be 100% better than it is currently.

There is still time for them to do this before we start paying, or at least right after (holiday 1.20a patch?).

[Jennestia]

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.

If you don't want to pay for it, simply don't it's that simple -- They aren't forcing you to pay like you're making it out to be. If you could happily play this game while it's free then you should be able to pay to play for it, otherwise, you're free to not pay for it if it's that upsetting to you they'll begin charging.

[Zoltan]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

One instanced fight (Ifrit) and Strongholds NMs do not qualify as endgame.


The point that I was trying to make was that you cannot compare the current state of FFXIV to any other MMO because they have not even come close to 50%. It may be the state of things as they currently are today, but to complain about the endgame is an unfair comparison because they have not finished releasing content.

I am not supporting FFXIV. I am pointing out that this discussion is irrelevant because the product is not complete. When someone mentions endgame it implies that the game has content that could be considered complete.

[Ronik]

One instanced fight (Ifrit) and Strongholds NMs do not qualify as endgame.


The point that I was trying to make was that you cannot compare the current state of FFXIV to any other MMO because they have not even come close to 50%. It may be the state of things as they currently are today, but to complain about the endgame is an unfair comparison because they have not finished releasing content.

I am not supporting FFXIV. I am pointing out that this discussion is irrelevant because the product is not complete. When someone mentions endgame it implies that the game has content that could be considered complete.

Jesus Christ, this topic has become flooded with stupidity and inanity. Have you never played an MMO before? Since the original Everquest, the term "Endgame content" in an MMO has specifically referred to the content designed for players who are at level cap. It's that damned simple. This isn't chess. This isn't an argument about semantics. This is how MMO players have delineated between levelling content and level cap content since the very earliest MMOs. I know this because I've been playing MMOs for that long.

Right now, all the content designed for level cap players constitutes the endgame. The endgame will change and evolve as more content is added, but this doesn't change the first statement. The current endgame is composed of Ifrit/Stronghold/Darkhold/World NMs/Faction NMs.

[Zoltan]

Jesus Christ, this topic has become flooded with stupidity and inanity. Have you never played an MMO before? Since the original Everquest, the term "Endgame content" in an MMO has specifically referred to the content designed for players who are at level cap. It's that damned simple. This isn't chess. This isn't an argument about semantics. This is how MMO players have delineated between levelling content and level cap content since the very earliest MMOs. I know this because I've been playing MMOs for that long.

Right now, all the content designed for level cap players constitutes the endgame. The endgame will change and evolve as more content is added, but this doesn't change the first statement. The current endgame is composed of Ifrit/Stronghold/Darkhold/World NMs/Faction NMs.

You can keep your religious comments to yourself.

It is truly amazing how many people on these forums attempt to invoke ad hominem attacks upon others to support their argument.


You cannot compare FFXIV to other endgame when they haven't even released advanced jobs yet. Why don't you compare it to Everquest '03 when the level cap was 50?

The OP was trying to say that he is bored because he just got one job to 50 and he thinks that he's at endgame and 2/5 are worth doing.

I disagree.