DPS Balance Thread

[Legion88]

Sorta yeah, but generally when people talk about raid DPS contribution people aren't looking at stuff that you apply that you benefit from. For example, when we compare the raid gains of Trick Attack, we're not factoring in the Ninja benefiting from it, nor would we apply something like Heavy Thrust for the dragoon as raid DPS contribution.

In the most technical sense, yes, more personal DPS does mean more raid DPS, but that's a whole different conversation.

So no one is seeing that with the loose of the DRG you technically only loose ~150 rDPS, if the replacement has the same pDPS like the DRG?
And no one is taking this into its calculation?

[Powercow]

So no one is seeing that with the loose of the DRG you technically only loose ~150 rDPS, if the replacement has the same pDPS like the DRG?
And no one is taking this into its calculation?

Ohh my bad I misunderstood you. No, the 300 lost DPS is per ranged physical class. DRG gives ~300 with the inclusion of MCH or BRD, and ~600 with the inclusion of both.

[Legion88]

Ohh my bad I misunderstood you. No, the 300 lost DPS is per ranged physical class. DRG gives ~300 with the inclusion of MCH or BRD, and ~600 with the inclusion of both.

I see now how you are calculating.
You take 5% from 6k pDPS of a Ranged.

The raid calculator only appears to calculate damage you provide the raid, thus Piercing is exclusively accounting for BRD/MCH since DRG buffing itself is considered personal DPS. This is why Slashing never shows since Ninja and Warrior provide it, which buffs themselves. Sure, Paladin and Dark Knight are benefited, but the calculator can't allocate Slashing to one specific job when upwards of three provide it. So they just exclude Slashing.

Oh, there is a tool for this. I never found it.

To the Disembowel "problem":
If you consider piercing down is a 100% uptime debuff it is really strong and focused, what leads to the Ranged META. I think schould be nerfed or removed.
For example the BRD Songs are also 100% uptime but only a 2% crit rate and maybe the same in DPS.
The other 100% uptime debuffs/buffs are slashing and blunt, while every gainer also can apply it himself and the application is always tied into the rotation anyway and the gain is most likely already in the calculation for their pDPS from the beginning, so you can neglect this as real raid buffs and view them more like selfbuffs. Yeah DRK and PLD can't apply it themself, but i think they wont went in a comp without NIN, WAR or SAM.

With lowering the effectiveness of Disembowel down to 2 - 3% and rescaling DRG/BRD/MCH to the same pDPS like now and done.
Or maybe remove piercing down completely from Disembowel and merge it with Heavy Thrust and rescale DRG/BRD/MCH to the same pDPS like now and done.

I also think that all this "weapon type resistance down" should be removed (or just merged to "physical resistance down"), this could also break Disembowel for Ranged.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oh, there is a tool for this. I never found it.

To the Disembowel "problem"...

Here you go

Either scenario would be a step in the right direction. Even setting aside balance, it simply feels awful knowing your damage is effectively gimped should someone opt to play Monk or Samurai. For that reason alone, I lean more towards getting rid of all damage based debuffs (Slashing, Piercing, Blunt ) entirely. Dragoon would need adjustments to either Litany or its personal DPS to compensate, however I think it'd be better overall.

[Legion88]

Here you go

Thank you.
I hope i can use this for the static i help with analyzing their Logs and replays.

[HyoMinPark]

So no one is seeing that with the loose of the DRG you technically only loose ~150 rDPS, if the replacement has the same pDPS like the DRG?
And no one is taking this into its calculation?

~300 DPS is per ranged, so per BRD and per MCH—~600 total if a comp is DRG/BRD/MCH. rDPS doesn’t calculate the self-buff Disembowel gives DRG. Much like how it will not calculate Blunt and Slashing, since only MNK gives Blunt, and there will rarely ever be a case where there isn’t at least one job applying Slashing in a party (WAR, NIN, and SAM all carry it).

Also, Brotherhood is physical only too, but Brotherhood is its own weird box of awkwardness, albeit less so since it got buffed.

You are right. That slipped my mind since it’s so late, and I’m tired after the fun that was trying for a weekly 2 chest God Kefka on Saturday night. Strangely enough, WAR cares far more for Brotherhood than Litany and Battle Voice since IR was made the best offensive buff in the game, basically.