Is limit break not a thing?

[RiyahArp]

No, we have space for LB on ps4. There are many reasons people don't.

-don't know how, new.
-used to saving it for healer lb, or caster lb in dungeons
-usually doesn't play the job often, so unused to using LB at that time
-doesn't think it's necessary as melee, usually in dungeons (doesn't always speed things up that much)
-may not be useful at all (shinryu in particular, he has so much hp melee LB is less effective)

[KaivaC]

Ah. So in essence, it's basically a non issue for leveling content? I haven't emphasized it much in my runs, save for the one request on certain bosses (like in Bardams) just to push past the wing phase.

Ok,thanks for your responses. Again, was just a general question I'd been wondering.

[RiyahArp]

Ah. So in essence, it's basically a non issue for leveling content? I haven't emphasized it much in my runs, save for the one request on certain bosses (like in Bardams) just to push past the wing phase.

Ok,thanks for your responses. Again, was just a general question I'd been wondering.

More many reasons. I think caster mb is usually more useful than melee, since it can really speed up a large pull.

Going to need your class notes on this one.

Try it. Shin has a really big pool relative to other bosses, that's why he has tails you kill to knock off 400k HP. Other bosses go down fast enough without it. Oh, and I forgot another reason; the LB got the player killed at some point, and he's wary of using it.

[JohnnyDevo]

Try it. Shin has a really big pool relative to other bosses, that's why he has tails you kill to knock off 400k HP. Other bosses go down fast enough without it. Oh, and I forgot another reason; the LB got the player killed at some point, and he's wary of using it.

The only relevance of LB usefulness is how much damage you do with it vs how much damage you would be doing otherwise.

That does not change based on boss HP. Shinryu specifically should be using an LB3 before adds, then a caster LB3 on his wings and back for maximum LB effectiveness.

This is, of course, assuming you're in a group where nobody fucks up and dies. But that's also true for every boss and LB usage.

EDIT: Oh. This topic is 12 pages long.

[Canadane]

-may not be useful at all (shinryu in particular, he has so much hp melee LB is less effective)

Going to need your class notes on this one.

[Vrankyl]

-may not be useful at all (shinryu in particular, he has so much hp melee LB is less effective)

If anything a higher HP pool would render the caster and ranged LBs ineffective since they do less ST damage than the melee one. In fact Melee LB is the preferred LB for all content unless a Tank LB is required, or in case of the second boss of Raba the caster one to deal with adds.

[RiyahArp]

If anything a higher HP pool would render the caster and ranged LBs ineffective since they do less ST damage than the melee one. In fact Melee LB is the preferred LB for all content unless a Tank LB is required, or in case of the second boss of Raba the caster one to deal with adds.

I think Kaiva asked this in the case of duty finder, though. caster MB is better for dungeons imo, and the rare case u have add phases. in trials the bar rarely fills completely for some (lvl 50 hards) and people just use it at the end. Shin most people just save it for healers or to finish him off. Melee LB though is kind of useless overall in most casual content, it barely saves any time; like maybe u clear ten seconds faster on a boss. Like when people use it, he's almost dead anyways.

really only time it got used in every fight was a12 normal, where u needed it to survive the attack.

[Dzian]

If anything a higher HP pool would render the caster and ranged LBs ineffective since they do less ST damage than the melee one. In fact Melee LB is the preferred LB for all content unless a Tank LB is required, or in case of the second boss of Raba the caster one to deal with adds.

that's not accurate. often times the caster one is preferred over the melee. in most levels of content..

in dungeons for example a caster lb is often more beneficial. if you take something like sohm al hards last boss a caster lb during the second "hiss" will smash the adds within a fraction of a second of them spawning. and is always a better choice than to simply use the melee one on the boss.

rabanastres adds is another example. in the older days caster lb3s could save wipes in wod as you could hit all 3 clouds with one on the last boss and prevent a wipe..

the biggest issue I think for many though is that the lbs often feel largely underwhelming to use.. when your super awesome monk, drg, nin or sam go to bust out there melee lb3 and the boss hp bar drops by pretty much 1 single percent.... your left thinking was it really worth it... I lost my jinpu and shifu buffs for that!!! wont bother next time....

Me too. Tank LB is niche but occasionally useful. DPS LB is of course almost always preferred. Healer LB 1&2 are basically only worth using if you are completely out of MP and the only person still standing is a tank. It doesn't really help newbie healers learn to care about the button, so they don't know about it when suddenly LB3 could save a wipe and be a crowning moment of awesome.

I do agree with this. I often think it'd be better if the healer lb 2 maybe even the lb1 had the ability to restore a chunk of mp as well as hp. as hp tools there never really used but as a last ditch source of some extra mp it might be more useful...

[AxlStream]

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-may not be useful at all (shinryu in particular, he has so much hp melee LB is less effective)

You serious mate? LB3 is always used in mid-high end content. It's the single hardest hitting attack in the game. Boss HP pools don't make it less effective, if anything it makes it MORE valuable.

[RiyahArp]

You serious mate? LB3 is always used in mid-high end content. It's the single hardest hitting attack in the game. Boss HP pools don't make it less effective, if anything it makes it MORE valuable.

It has very little importance. It's essentially a finishing blow, if you don't need either the healer LB to recover from a wipe, or the tank LB to mitigate a scripted attack. So people don't use it a lot because it is just that. They save LB3 for healers, and use it for when its obvious they wont wipe. It's not really indispensible in the same way others can be. It's just more potency, and in duty finder stuff, theres no enrage so just keeping on will get the same result.

I guess im saying there's no real strategic uses for it as is, except in pvp. The only one I can think of is chrysalis and using it on the tear, mostly because people don't trust the tanks to get the meteors.

Actually now that I think of it, the chrysalis is a big reason why ppl dont use it, people go crazy if a newbie doesn't know to save it for the tear. I mean you can pretty easily beat the tear without it, but that's the first real negative instance of using a melee break most people face. I mean people are downright rude if they do that and you wipe after.