Is limit break not a thing?

[Lium]

I used LB once on my main (the job I'm posting on). It was in Castrum Abania, the part when you're on that narrow walkway and a bunch of adds come out on all sides. I figured now might be a good time to try it, and I actually asked the group before you using it. They said go for it. I clicked it and...

It did like no damage. Seriously. My own AoEs were stronger, and RDMs aren't known for strong AoE. Now at 70, I don't even bother. I just let melee or the healer use it.

[RiyahArp]

In God Kefka...

thought we meant duty finder here, not savage.

As for the use, yeah chrysalis is the only use i can think of for melee limit break and its only there because tanks screw up meteor; you can actually do it easy without it, its just habit. The main issue with chrys is tanks missing staying in the circles; if they do that you are fine, and if someone uses lb3 before or dcs and leaves us with 2 bars, you have to do it the intended way anyways.

And honestly, quit berating me, your passive aggressive sniping is getting old. I'm trying to explain why its not getting used in casual content. It's simply not necessary; there is no enrage timer, there are rarely single targets you need to nail, and its used as a finishing move if they didn't use healer lb3, tank lb, no one dced, etc. SE hasn't made it as must-use as it should be, and people often just don't use it because of that. It's the same as materia pre 70.

[Sigma-Astra]

thought we meant duty finder here, not savage.

As for the use, yeah chrysalis is the only use i can think of for melee limit break and its only there because tanks screw up meteor; you can actually do it easy without it, its just habit. The main issue with chrys is tanks missing staying in the circles; if they do that you are fine, and if someone uses lb3 before or dcs and leaves us with 2 bars, you have to do it the intended way anyways.

Does it matter if it's Duty Finder or Savage? Both are not exclusive towards each other when determining whether or not the limit break is used or not used and how useful it may or may not be in certain conditions. It's not like the OP ever specified that we could only talk about duty finder and nothing else.

Also, SE did make it a must have in the normal raid of Alexander - Soul of the Creator mind you, which is casual content, without the tank LB3 during the segment of the fight where the larger Alexander comes out to Scott Summers you, if you didn't use it, it's an automatic wipe. I mean, I know so far this has only been one whole time, but it definitely warrants that SE did implement it as a must use specifically for that fight at least. I do remember getting a lot of comms on BLM when I would use it in Sohm Al (Hard) too on the last boss during his add phase to smite all of the evil scorpions, especially when I'd just do it automatically. That was nice.

What needs to happen is SE making it more aware in the beginning parts of the storyline and Novice Hall. Honestly, make it more apparent with using it in an instant even to highlight why the Limit Break may be necessary and the different ways it can be used depending on the level of the limit break and your role.

[RiyahArp]

Does it matter if it's Duty Finder or Savage? .

In the context of Kaiva asking it does. I mean, my point is that duty finder really doesn't provide the need for melee, but enrage definitely makes a need for it in ex/savage content. I was assuming they were asking for casual content.

A12N the reason I think why they don't do that is because all it takes is one person dcing to wipe out the limit break entirely. Even if they dc for a second, done. So you had forced wipes. And we also have issues now with slower LB generation, so they can't rely on them any more because of that; that's why no duplicate jobs in Byakko ex happened. The LB can really only be optional.

Eh, idk...apparently not many people are even doing hall. I mean, it doesn't seem to be working as much to educate the playerbase.

[Sigma-Astra]

In the context of Kaiva asking it does. I mean, my point is that duty finder really doesn't provide the need for melee, but enrage definitely makes a need for it in ex/savage content. I was assuming they were asking for casual content.

A12N the reason I think why they don't do that is because all it takes is one person dcing to wipe out the limit break entirely. Even if they dc for a second, done. So you had forced wipes. And we also have issues now with slower LB generation, so they can't rely on them any more because of that; that's why no duplicate jobs in Byakko ex happened. The LB can really only be optional.

Eh, idk...apparently not many people are even doing hall. I mean, it doesn't seem to be working as much to educate the playerbase.

Issues with slower limit break generation now? The "no duplicate jobs" has been a thing since patch 3.2. This is not a new thing as it's been in the game for 2 years now. Having duplicate jobs interferes with the natural progression of the limit break bar. The devs enforced this so people wouldn't take double jobs into dungeons or anything requiring a full party to register. It's only more apparent now because people are using the tank LB3 method for Byakko and realized that having two jobs of the same will hurt the natural progression of the bar as opposed towards a party with no duplicate jobs. It's precisely the reason why some Savage raiders don't take double jobs with them either, it interferes with progression.

When you're unsynced and well overgeared for a fight, this is a non-issue, but this has always been a thing. People are just realizing it now because SE has made it more apparent and a lot of people either don't remember that detail 2 years ago or never bothered to read it.

[AxlStream]

Not using it is just a mistake. In EX roulette dungeon you could possibly use it once at level 1 and another time at level 2 on the final boss. Don't even get my started on EX/Savage where it's not uncommon to see 2/3 limit breaks used. The strongest move in the game should be used, period.

[RiyahArp]

well yeah, and everyone should fill all their slots with t6 materia, eat food, and use potions. They should use knockback preventing abilities, things like erase and palisade, etc. It's just in casual content, it's not tuned that aggressively and people don't.

[Ryaz]

I use my LB in dungeons when I know its safe to do so. It can remove 10% off a boss' health in expert, which is a nice chunk, though it's used mostly as a finishing move.

I just wish SE would rework the LBs. I loved Skillchains in FFXI and I would love to see something like that come back, where there are individual LBs that people can chain together for greater effect.

Though it probably would see backlash from the less skilled players or random groups who have trouble chaining properly.

[Leowilde]

I haven't read the 10 past pages in the thread, so forgive me for any answers I may have missed.

It might depend on the duty, but I don't relate to OP's experience. I'm running both low lvl dungeons, trials and all the way up to lvl 70 stuff, not counting raids and ex trials. I play DRG myself, so in most cases I am the party's first choice of dps LB. I tend to save it until the final boss, usually finishing off or close to with LB. I never hear anyone complain about that. However, sometimes someone else will pop it during an earlier boss, or even trash encounters, ie. for BLM's aoe. Also, the tank will occationally lead the party with suggestions on what to do when, and these tanks tend to tell when they'd like the dps LB to be used (boss usually, but also BLM sometimes on earlier encounters, and sometimes to save it for healer's LB if necessary).
There has also been occations where I've been too late to trigger my LB, and the other DPS has done it to finish off the boss.

So no, I don't think it's not a thing.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

thought we meant duty finder here, not savage.

What difference does it make? Both are content where more damage is always good since it allows mechanic skips, faster clears or will often generate significantly higher results than your average Duty Finder will.

And honestly, quit berating me, your passive aggressive sniping is getting old. I'm trying to explain why its not getting used in casual content. It's simply not necessary; there is no enrage timer, there are rarely single targets you need to nail, and its used as a finishing move if they didn't use healer lb3, tank lb, no one dced, etc. SE hasn't made it as must-use as it should be, and people often just don't use it because of that. It's the same as materia pre 70.

You know what else gets old? Your constant interjections into content you either do not participate in or insisting your opinion is somehow the only opinion. LB being ignored in Duty Finder content does not magically make Melee LB3 inferior. A great number of people simply don't give a damn because DF is faceroll. That being said, it all depends on circumstance. To claim Melee LB3 is worthless is simply ignorant. That isn't a snipe, but fact.