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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Isnt that enough? I mean they are probably earning quite a lot of money from all the service changes and Fantasia..shouldnt that be more than enough to finance the cash shop?
    FFXIV is funding the FFVII Remake in the same way it funded FFXV. Most of the money it brings in—from subs and the cash shop—probably go into FFVII Remake production, FFXV DLC chronologing Noctis’ every day breakfast choices, and other SE projects. Then a bit goes back into FFXIV. But SE uses FFXIV to fund other projects first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Yes SE once stated that they only exist because of the cash shop (I think) but is that really true? I mean no company would just go out of their way and tell us that these might have been rewards for content but instead they put it behind a paywall because they would get money from that..so it might be that we would not get everything from the cash shop but I doubt that each item would not exist. There is no fact for that. We simply dont know. (And honestly if they dont exist we would not be much angered because we would not know that it could have existed.)
    There are two different art teams that design gear—one for in-game, and one for the cash shop. If there was no cash shop, there would be no need for the cash shop team to design these items; at least not for NA/EU/JP. And you can count on the Chinese and Korean items never coming over here, because they are specifically commissioned by the companies that sponsor the Chinese and Korean versions of FFXIV. They sell for real money over in China and Korea; do you think that SE would bring them over to NA/EU/JP and hand them out for free? No, they would not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    There is no reproduction cost, so these prices are just cash grabby. SE is not hurting for money, so why not experiment a bit with lower prices???driven by greed, all it is.
    There is no such thing as a business who thinks “I’ve made enough money; no need to make any more”. Ever. While the $18 USD outfits could stand to be account-wide at the least, there is no business alive who isn’t out to make as much money as possible. The larger the scale of the business, the higher they aim for in terms of profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    FFXIV is funding the FFVII Remake in the same way it funded FFXV. Most of the money it brings in—from subs and the cash shop—probably go into FFVII Remake production, FFXV DLCchronologing Noctis’ every day breakfast choices, and other SE projects. Then a bit goes back into FFXIV. But SE uses FFXIV to fund other projects first.



    There is no such thing as a business who thinks “I’ve made enough money; no need to make any more”. Ever. While the $18 USD outfits could stand to be account-wide at the least, there is no business alive who isn’t out to make as much money as possible. The larger the scale of the business, the higher they aim for in terms of profits.
    Well they lose out on any profits like me that see them pushing too far for exploitation so there is that I guess... If they want to have business with few with more money over a wider audience with less money, that is their decision.

    But what happens when gaming businesses get too greedy?:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNiVSj9uzTw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    Well they lose out on any profits like me that see them pushing too far for exploitation so there is that I guess... If they want to have business with few with more money over a wider audience with less money, that is their decision.

    But what happens when gaming businesses get too greedy?:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNiVSj9uzTw
    Well, considering SE is making far more money off of monthly subscriptions as opposed to cash shop purchases, you unsubbing hurts them far more than you not buying a fire footwheels mount for your character. But you seem to still be subbed, so SE is still making profit off of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Well, considering SE is making far more money off of monthly subscriptions as opposed to cash shop purchases, you unsubbing hurts them far more than you not buying a fire footwheels mount for your character. But you seem to still be subbed, so SE is still making profit off of you.
    Nope, you get 14 days, I am not subbed, once that time runs out in a few hours, day at most, you never see me again till they change their ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    Nope, you get 14 days, I am not subbed, once that time runs out in a few hours, day at most, you never see me again till they change their ways.
    I’m well aware of the 14 day limit, thank you.

    I really hate to break it to you, but the cash shop isn’t going anywhere. So I’m afraid you’re just out of luck then. Why continue to fight with people in a game that you no longer play about topics that no longer concern you? Or do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing? Your attitude does nothing for your arguments, in case you have not yet realized that.
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    Hi Pot, meet Kettle.
    Was wondering if someone would say it before I got to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    Nope, you get 14 days, I am not subbed, once that time runs out in a few hours, day at most, you never see me again till they change their ways.
    Can i have your stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    Can i have your stuff?
    I don't think they're gonna be giving you anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrimace View Post
    I don't think they're gonna be giving you anything.
    Yeah. Vstar hates me for disagree with his definition of P2W
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    FFXIV is funding the FFVII Remake in the same way it funded FFXV. Most of the money it brings in—from subs and the cash shop—probably go into FFVII Remake production, FFXV DLC chronologing Noctis’ every day breakfast choices, and other SE projects. Then a bit goes back into FFXIV. But SE uses FFXIV to fund other projects first.



    There are two different art teams that design gear—one for in-game, and one for the cash shop. If there was no cash shop, there would be no need for the cash shop team to design these items; at least not for NA/EU/JP. And you can count on the Chinese and Korean items never coming over here, because they are specifically commissioned by the companies that sponsor the Chinese and Korean versions of FFXIV. They sell for real money over in China and Korea; do you think that SE would bring them over to NA/EU/JP and hand them out for free? No, they would not.



    There is no such thing as a business who thinks “I’ve made enough money; no need to make any more”. Ever. While the $18 USD outfits could stand to be account-wide at the least, there is no business alive who isn’t out to make as much money as possible. The larger the scale of the business, the higher they aim for in terms of profits.
    And as a customer of FF14 I honestly dont care if they need that to finance game number x or another DLC of 15. I am fine if the overall money gets divided in SE (thats how a company works) but I wont take that as an argument to milk us of money..also wasnt it said that Cash shop money stays with FF14?

    Again it might be that we would not get the items (but we simply dont know) but maybe the team that is there for the cash shop would be then creating glamour and mounts for the rest of the game thus giving us more items there. Or they would be used in other SE projects. We dont know so I would not say that its 100% that way.

    Yes business lives to make money..but why do we as the customers should agree with all those ways they make money? They are not our friends, we dont get our share from this. We are paying them money to use something they produce and thus have the right to write when it goes a way we dont like. EA also only wants to make money so why complain when they introduce lootboxes..I mean you dont need them right and maybe those items would not exist without the lootbox. Yet lootboxes are probably one of the biggest cancer of the current gaming industry and EA rightfully got a lot of rage for that. Or would SE suddenly be bad if they decide to put the cash shop items behind lootboxes? And if so why? I mean its still just a mount that you dont need and if thats too much money thanks to RNG you simply dont need to buy them. (Yes it might a bit too much but its just funny to me how lootboxes are like the devil [and I do dislike it] but milking us in a sub MMO with cash shop sales is fine)

    I mean you can go the way that companies like EA go (and which seems to be the path that SE wants to walk too) but you also have companies like CD red project and their Witcher 3 series..not only did we get any "DLC" for free but the two expansions could finally be called an expansion and was worth every money for the amount of content we got. Not some 15 $ DLC with one new mission about one character..

    At the beginning I was fine with giving SE my money. I got two mounts from the cash shop (in sale) because I believed that I would help them make the game better..and I bought merchandise too. Thanks to the way they are handling a lot of stuff for the last few months, the only cash shop items I got were gifts from friends that I could not talk out of it and I did not buy a single merchandise again and wont do that in the future.. A friend ingame who is a big FF fan also said that the way the whole company is going is way too greedy for him and that he will stop buying merchandise and collectors edition from them. And he was someone that did buy quite some bit. We may be only two people but who knows how far they will go in the future (especially with the app..) and maybe there will be a point where its more than just a handful of people that stop it.
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    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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