Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[ko_]

Well, I think if people stopped harping to get it on the cash shop and instead protested that they want this stuff in game en masse we'd probably have a change. Though, maybe that's just going to take a miracle. Sure, they were done by the cash shop team overseas but I do think we should still be able to get them in game even if undyeable or just a similar model.

I guess we'll just have to ask them to do that for other items and see what they say. That would take alot of people to ask that tho, so heres for hope.

[polyphonica]

Well, I think if people stopped harping to get it on the cash shop and instead protested that they want this stuff in game en masse we'd probably have a change. Though, maybe that's just going to take a miracle. Sure, they were done by the cash shop team overseas but I do think we should still be able to get them in game even if undyeable or just a similar model.

I guess we don't know how the business relationship works. If the publishers in these other countries did help to cover the cost of the development of these items, I doubt they'd want that, since they'd want to try to recoup some of their investment with the sales here. If it's made available for free in-game here, it'd definitely cut into sales. Keep in mind that the Chinese version isn't F2P either; they pay by the hour, and then also have these purchase items. It'd probably annoy customers in those markets to get "exclusive" cash shop items and then find out that the rest of the world gets similar versions for free in-game when they don't. Plus, given that these markets are a few patches behind, you'd get weird cases where they'd have to remove things from the patches here because they were already otherwise sold there. I suspect that, if not for selling them in some way (through a partner promotion or cash shop), they probably would have just stayed exclusive, and that was actually what triggered people's "harping to get it on the cash shop."

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well, I think if people stopped harping to get it on the cash shop and instead protested that they want this stuff in game en masse we'd probably have a change. Though, maybe that's just going to take a miracle. Sure, they were done by the cash shop team overseas but I do think we should still be able to get them in game even if undyeable or just a similar model.

Essentially, you're asking for a free version when the markets they were originally designed for (China and Korean) paid the equivalent to what we're being charged now. Putting aside it makes no sense whatsoever to gave Cash Shop items available for free, the third party company SE subsidizes to likely wouldn't allow such a practice. It'd be like SE releasing the maid outfit through an in-game event during the Amazon promotion. Odds are near guaranteed Amazon tells them to sob off when the next promotion rolls around.

As for people asking things be put on the Mogstation. They do so knowing SE wouldn't have any incentive otherwise and don't mind paying extra for specific cosmetics. I adore Tifa's outfit from Advent Children. Now which do you think will more likely garner SE's attention...

"I want Tifa's Advent Children outfit for free through an in-game event which will cost you money to create."
"I will purchase Tifa's Advent Children outfit from the Mogstation if you design it."

That's why people ask for things on the Mogstation. You are significantly more likely to see results.

Because being a whale is just that annoying. Not everything has to be served on a silver platter to them by paying.

Splurging every once in a while does not make someone a whale. And everything is not "served to them." In fact, Reddit did a statistic on the Mogstation recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...wow_and_other/

Out of 50 minions and 33 mounts, only 3 and 6, respectively, have been released as Cash Shop exclusives, Promotional or Veteran rewards. This is actually down from ARR and HW, though, obviously, SB has another year to go. I am all for criticising SE's more recent practices, but let's avoid the hyperbole.

[Vstarstruck]

And yet over fifteen years later FFXI remains a subscription game. This doom say scenario of FFXIV going F2P will never happen.

going f2p is not doomsday sayers. With retainer fees, this app fee and mog station this game SHOULD BE F2P.

Right now it is a F2P model gated behind a sub, they are double dipping this point.

with that said:

Essentially, you're asking for a free version when the markets they were originally designed for (China and Korean) paid the equivalent to what we're being charged now. Putting aside it makes no sense whatsoever to gave Cash Shop items available for free, the third party company SE subsidizes to likely wouldn't allow such a practice. It'd be like SE releasing the maid outfit through an in-game event during the Amazon promotion. Odds are near guaranteed Amazon tells them to sob off when the next promotion rolls around.

As for people asking things be put on the Mogstation. They do so knowing SE wouldn't have any incentive otherwise and don't mind paying extra for specific cosmetics. I adore Tifa's outfit from Advent Children. Now which do you think will more likely garner SE's attention...

"I want Tifa's Advent Children outfit for free through an in-game event which will cost you money to create."
"I will purchase Tifa's Advent Children outfit from the Mogstation if you design it."

That's why people ask for things on the Mogstation. You are significantly more likely to see results.



Splurging every once in a while does not make someone a whale. And everything is not "served to them." In fact, Reddit did a statistic on the Mogstation recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...wow_and_other/

Out of 50 minions and 33 mounts, only 3 and 6, respectively, have been released as Cash Shop exclusives, Promotional or Veteran rewards. This is actually down from ARR and HW, though, obviously, SB has another year to go. I am all for criticising SE's more recent practices, but let's avoid the hyperbole.

Even though I am somewhat "anti mogstation" I agree with you. I have no issues with them putting extra in the game that was not intended. However at the same token, be reasonable with the price, it is simply too much this point. This app for example, should be completely free (what it does based on what they told us) sure they can add reasonable micro transactions (NOT ONES THAT are for listing items on the MB though) That app is paid with our sub, with what was announced. Locking a basic UI function behind a second sub cost is the biggest joke I have seen, since one time fees on BS is that... one time..

[Krotoan]

That "argument" can be used to anything. You dont like Eureka? Just dont do it. You dont like content x just dont do it. Just because we have the option not do it/or buy it doesnt mean that we should be fine with that.

It can. However comparing someone complaining about the price of something because they just don't want to pay money for it to someone who doesn't want to do something they've technically paid for access for and have suggestions on how to make better is quite a stretch.

In one case we have a very black and white solution: Bite the bullet and buy it or wait for a sale or don't buy it and complain hard enough that they might cave and reduce the price. We know that people are buying the item even in the small sample that's provided via the forums. This means that SE has very little reason to cave and reduce the price since it is selling. You can make an argument they'd sell more if they reduced the price, but then they'd HAVE to sell more to make the same amount of money. Money in the bank to a company is usually much more attractive than potential money without any sort of contract attached to it. The prudent choice here then is buy it or don't. "I don't have enough so you should make it cheaper" is whining. "It's not worth what you've priced it" is provably wrong by instance of people buying it. DON'T BUY IT IF IT'S NOT WORTH IT TO YOU.


In the other case we have content you've arguably paid for already , or at least paid for access to. It's many faceted because there's the actual content itself, the rewards if any and the possibility of future content locked behind the initial foray. Some people will want the rewards but not want to do the content, some people will like the content but think the rewards are dumb and some may only be concerned because they cannot complete the content or complete it in a reasonable amount of time. People can offer suggestions like what they found unpleasant about it or what they'd like to see in the future because they're already invested in it literally.

It's the difference between buying a team jersey or pennant and paying to watch a game where after you enter everyone's shoes have been glued to the ground. In one case you see the price and decide yes or no. The other you go in expecting a certain amount of value for what you paid but get something other than what you expected.


You can reply "So Don't" to any suggestion but it matters what the problem is.

[RiyahArp]

The problem is you already don't buy it, and it keeps coming, because others do. There's no solution you can do that has equivalent weight. Your only hope is they overreach so much that they manage to annoy everyone, and by then its too late, the game is ruined. SW battlefront 2. So the "no" vote is almost always captive to the "yes" vote. And the yes people stay yes for a long time. The yes people literally shifted the industry in the direction of micro transactions. In the end, protesting and not buying don't seem to work, the only thing that does is catastrophe.

[Krotoan]

The problem is you already don't buy it, and it keeps coming, because others do. There's no solution you can do that has equivalent weight. Your only hope is they overreach so much that they manage to annoy everyone, and by then its too late, the game is ruined. SW battlefront 2. So the "no" vote is almost always captive to the "yes" vote. And the yes people stay yes for a long time. The yes people literally shifted the industry in the direction of micro transactions. In the end, protesting and not buying don't seem to work, the only thing that does is catastrophe.

You're complaining that a company is selling a product to a market that's willing to pay for it and in enough numbers that it is profitable. There are extremes of this that are actually morally questionable such as slavery and price gouging on essential services and supplies but satisfying a market need for a costume that doesn't actually exist isn't one of them. Moral outrage at the high price of a luxury item IN a luxury service is ridiculous to me.

[Ruf]

You're complaining that a company is selling a product to a market that's willing to pay for it and in enough numbers that it is profitable. There are extremes of this that are actually morally questionable such as slavery and price gouging on essential services and supplies but satisfying a market need for a costume that doesn't actually exist isn't one of them. Moral outrage at the high price of a luxury item IN a luxury service is ridiculous to me.

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

[Krotoan]

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but I'm not seeing the actual health of the game degrading. In fact the server move funded by the additional income from the cash shop has improved my experience personally. I don't see the neglect you apparently do. In what way has the game been neglected or degraded because of the cash shop? Keep in mind that all services offered by the app are not being removed from the game or being withheld from the game, they were added ON TOP of what is available.

[HyoMinPark]

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

Except the general health of the game is not declining because of the cash shop. To insinuate that it is is objectively wrong.

CORRECT, they asked for it to be on the cash shop which is a major problem.

With regards to the Chinese/Korean outfits, they were part of the Chinese and Korean Mogstation originally. They aren’t going to be added to the JP/NA/EU version of FFXIV for free when their home countries that specifically commissioned the pieces for their version of the game had to pay for them. To ask for them for free when others had to pay is entitlement.

Because being a whale is just that annoying. Not everything has to be served on a silver platter to them by paying.

You asking for something for free where others had to pay for it is entitlement; how is someone paying for something them asking for something on a silver platter? Wouldn’t someone asking something for free be the person who is asking for something on a silver platter?

People occasionally buying items from the Mogstation doesn’t make them a “whale”. Enough with the name-calling. People aren’t going to listen to your comments and arguments if you continue to call those on the opposite side of you (in this case, those who buy from/support the cash shop) names. That just makes them inclined to not listen because you’re being rude.

Well, I think if people stopped harping to get it on the cash shop and instead protested that they want this stuff in game en masse we'd probably have a change. Though, maybe that's just going to take a miracle. Sure, they were done by the cash shop team overseas but I do think we should still be able to get them in game even if undyeable or just a similar model.

If there wasn’t a cash shop, these items just wouldn’t exist at all. They wouldn’t suddenly become available in an undyeable version, or as part of an event, or an achievement reward. The Chinese and Korean items were specifically commissioned by the third-party corporations that sponsor the Chinese and Korean versions of FFXIV in their respective countries, and they were paid for by the individuals in those countries. Asking for them for free is entitlement.