Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Krotoan]

The problem is you already don't buy it, and it keeps coming, because others do. There's no solution you can do that has equivalent weight. Your only hope is they overreach so much that they manage to annoy everyone, and by then its too late, the game is ruined. SW battlefront 2. So the "no" vote is almost always captive to the "yes" vote. And the yes people stay yes for a long time. The yes people literally shifted the industry in the direction of micro transactions. In the end, protesting and not buying don't seem to work, the only thing that does is catastrophe.

You're complaining that a company is selling a product to a market that's willing to pay for it and in enough numbers that it is profitable. There are extremes of this that are actually morally questionable such as slavery and price gouging on essential services and supplies but satisfying a market need for a costume that doesn't actually exist isn't one of them. Moral outrage at the high price of a luxury item IN a luxury service is ridiculous to me.

[Ruf]

You're complaining that a company is selling a product to a market that's willing to pay for it and in enough numbers that it is profitable. There are extremes of this that are actually morally questionable such as slavery and price gouging on essential services and supplies but satisfying a market need for a costume that doesn't actually exist isn't one of them. Moral outrage at the high price of a luxury item IN a luxury service is ridiculous to me.

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

[Krotoan]

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but I'm not seeing the actual health of the game degrading. In fact the server move funded by the additional income from the cash shop has improved my experience personally. I don't see the neglect you apparently do. In what way has the game been neglected or degraded because of the cash shop? Keep in mind that all services offered by the app are not being removed from the game or being withheld from the game, they were added ON TOP of what is available.

[HyoMinPark]

When the health of a game is actually affected because "supposed to be normal content" becomes neglected because of a cash shop, heck yea I/we will complain. & i've heard enough about the mmo attraction park bs also because that is pretty bad , someone else quoted disney, leave disney out of this & yes idc that you buy authentic items or even the app, but this game is getting neglected & that is pretty bad, the whole cash shop thing is just making it worst imo.

Except the general health of the game is not declining because of the cash shop. To insinuate that it is is objectively wrong.

CORRECT, they asked for it to be on the cash shop which is a major problem.

With regards to the Chinese/Korean outfits, they were part of the Chinese and Korean Mogstation originally. They aren’t going to be added to the JP/NA/EU version of FFXIV for free when their home countries that specifically commissioned the pieces for their version of the game had to pay for them. To ask for them for free when others had to pay is entitlement.

Because being a whale is just that annoying. Not everything has to be served on a silver platter to them by paying.

You asking for something for free where others had to pay for it is entitlement; how is someone paying for something them asking for something on a silver platter? Wouldn’t someone asking something for free be the person who is asking for something on a silver platter?

People occasionally buying items from the Mogstation doesn’t make them a “whale”. Enough with the name-calling. People aren’t going to listen to your comments and arguments if you continue to call those on the opposite side of you (in this case, those who buy from/support the cash shop) names. That just makes them inclined to not listen because you’re being rude.

Well, I think if people stopped harping to get it on the cash shop and instead protested that they want this stuff in game en masse we'd probably have a change. Though, maybe that's just going to take a miracle. Sure, they were done by the cash shop team overseas but I do think we should still be able to get them in game even if undyeable or just a similar model.

If there wasn’t a cash shop, these items just wouldn’t exist at all. They wouldn’t suddenly become available in an undyeable version, or as part of an event, or an achievement reward. The Chinese and Korean items were specifically commissioned by the third-party corporations that sponsor the Chinese and Korean versions of FFXIV in their respective countries, and they were paid for by the individuals in those countries. Asking for them for free is entitlement.

[RiyahArp]

You're complaining that a company is selling a product to a market that's willing to pay for it and in enough numbers that it is profitable.

Its more complex. We are all part of the market for ffxiv, while we segment into submarkets when it comes to the mogstation. The point I was trying to make is that the market segment is in its way powerful enough to drag the whole market along, and the whole market is captive because there isn't a symmetrical aspect to "buy things to show support." That means if the segment gets increasingly catered too, the main market gets dragged along until some form of catastrophe happens.

Like enough people shop at walmart (segment) to keep it going, no matter if its harmful to the overall market (people who buy retail.) There's a debate whether this is true or not, and its too long to go into here, but that's kind of what I mean. The point i was referring too is about "just don't do it," as a response, but even if you don't, the market is still shaped by the actions of others.

As for the complaining, it's more a warning to SE to be careful with the cash shop. I'm trying not to be extreme on this, because the cash shop is generally ok. But its pretty easy to get worse; Black Desert is a very good example of glamour micros that charge what the market can bear.

[Krotoan]

Its more complex. We are all part of the market for ffxiv, while we segment into submarkets when it comes to the mogstation. The point I was trying to make is that the market segment is in its way powerful enough to drag the whole market along, and the whole market is captive because there isn't a symmetrical aspect to "buy things to show support." That means if the segment gets increasingly catered too, the main market gets dragged along until some form of catastrophe happens.

Like enough people shop at walmart (segment) to keep it going, no matter if its harmful to the overall market (people who buy retail.) There's a debate whether this is true or not, and its too long to go into here, but that's kind of what I mean. The point i was referring too is about "just don't do it," as a response, but even if you don't, the market is still shaped by the actions of others.

The problem with walmart is they are a giant crushing smaller businesses by out discounting them and eating the losses. Indeed that is not a debate I care to bring into "is 18 dollars expensive for non-existant clothes". However this is far from that case as well. They aren't muscling out other games since their product is only redeemable within the confines of their own game.

You know what WOULD be a powerful vote though? If many people bought things when they went on sale. I would bet you though that this isn't the case. People who don't buy things on the cash shop aren't 30 or even 40% away from buying the item. It's either worth money to them or it isn't most of the time. If it's worth actual money they will find the money to pay for eventually by saving. If it's not then it will have to get incredibly reduced for them to even consider the purchase. All conjecture sure, but buying something IS a more powerful vote than NOT buying something.

All in all you are originally complaining that the prices are raising, which they are not. New types of items are being made available and many of them at the same time. You are not obligated to buy all items at once. You are no more manipulated to buy virtual items than you are to pay for the subscription fee. You can stop at any time and while I will readily concede there are people with genuine mental issues that CANNOT stop, it's a disservice to everyone else to consider them the norm and an insult to the competence of the general public to police their purchasing for them.

This catastrophe you imagine is.. what? That the cash-shop will become all intrusive and have it's fingers in gear, job unlocks and quest progression? FFXIV will become a game you cannot keep current in unless you drop more money than the subscription? It's a genuine question, what is this disaster you hope to rally the community to avoid? I'm going to venture that your worst nightmare for FFXIV is someone elses ideal game.

I can applaud your conviction if this is truly about the well-being of this game we all enjoy, but if your stated concern is just because "things are too expensive and might get more expensive"? It's going to be a harsh world out there for you.