Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Wilford111]

It's ridiculous that people thinking feeling entitled is wrong. I absolutely feel entitled to a product if I'm paying for it.

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

What infuriates me the most is when people openly support this, and say I'm the unreasonable one for complaining.

[Sigma-Astra]

Mounts technically got improved because they USED to be single character, back when there was only 1 mount.

Outfits originally though used to be $8-$12. When the chinese stuff came over, they stuck an exp bonus on it and made it $18, and that's been the norm since. So while Mounts at least became account wide, outfits went up in price and still are single character.

Aha, thanks for the clarification! I wasn't entirely sure, so thank you.

[Remedi]

The problem as some ppl have said is that those gears are not of SE property and as such cannot be given for free because there are some licenses involved.
If that's true or not that I cannot say, I would settle for ppl not asking for more items in the cash shop

[Wilford111]

But despite my last post, I'm actually fine with a mogshop existing; as long as it has stuff like timed exclusive items that were in the game, but not anymore. I own up to the fact that I missed some event items, and I'm okay with there at least being an option to get it rather than not.

What I'm not okay with, is creating items that are mogshop exclusive right from the start. I'm paying for them already with my sub, but they're gating it off with more real money? That is unjustifiable.

[BillyKaplan]

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

That's not the case here at all. For starters, you paid to even enter the store (monthly subscription). But! there's a bunch of candy you can eat, all under the price of admission. The question is why do those candy cost more and why do they keep raising the prices and giving you less candies per bag (bonus codes shipped with physical items becoming single chara vs. account wide). I agree with whoever said that had these items not made it to the Mog shop, they wouldn't have been made accessible at all, so it's not a question of how we would've gotten them, it's Mog shop or bust. That said, the mog shop is debatable.

[HyoMinPark]

It's ridiculous that people thinking feeling entitled is wrong. I absolutely feel entitled to a product if I'm paying for it.

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

What infuriates me the most is when people openly support this, and say I'm the unreasonable one for complaining.

Asking for an item for free that was produced specifically for another country (in the case of the Nezha items, China—keep in mind that the Chinese servers are run by a different company than SE, and are entirely separate from JP/NA/EU; they even use a different subscription model) in which that audience had to pay for, and that would have never been made available here if players had not asked for it to be, is being entitled. They paid for the product in addition to paying for access to FFXIV China’s servers; why should you get it for free?

Your example is a poor. Did SE somehow take away 10% of your subscription period and try to force you to pay $15 again to get it that 10% back? Are they forcing you to buy optional items for $10/$18/$24 USD? Are such items necessary to your progress in the game?

You’re being called unreasonable for wanting items others had to pay for, for free, and for claiming that “the average person” cannot afford a $10/$18/$24 one-time purchase, but can somehow manage just fine paying $13/$15/potentially more if they have additional retainers a month for a subscription. You know, aside from calling people “idiots”—most posts seem to be calling you out on that more than anything else. Try not to name-call, and maybe people will be less inclined to call you out next time.

There's no contractor making them doing this, it was entirely SE.

These items are contracted out from the companies that run the Chinese and Korean servers for FFXIV specifically for their cash shops—cash shops are actually very popular when it comes to these regions. They are requested by this host company, and SE produces them for them.

See what I mean? this link holds no value in what was being said. I was refuting the idea SE needs to charge a lot because it is china SE but it is still SE? This is what happens when you run into someone that can't prove anything (and often mistaken on facts like how they try to claim to be a know it all in US politics when they do not even know the difference of a republican, and a republic.) They only act to know things.

FFXIV belongs to SE, but the company that hosts FFXIV on Chinese and Korean servers is a third-party. The Chinese version of FFXIV is actually different from the version that we play (e.g., the story is different because Chinese censorship); it even runs on a completely different model than ours. We pay a monthly subscription, but they pay a “pay as you play” subscription, meaning they pay a fee for the time they’re actively in-game, not just 1 lump sum of $13/$15 a month.

These outfits are commissions by this third party company that host these servers, designed specifically for the Chinese/Korean cash shops (which, there is far less animosity towards in those countries, as cash shops are very common in their MMOs from what I understand, and the practice is not frowned upon). While they are designed by SE, they are still commissioned products of a different company.

[Remedi]

I'm not fine with the shop, I think past events items should've been added to events vendor each time. As for this set and all the chinese imported ones, they should've stayed in their respective server with all due respect.

While I can give a pass for mounts since wow has opened the flood gates, emotes are something I consider bleh, though I'm conflicetd because from one hand I can see that some are simply basic animations ripped and made an emote out of it, from another hand those are essentially ripping access to existing, already used animation and sold to the masses

I'm not scandalized by the shop simply because as said wow set the precedent I don't think there's a sub mmo without a shop

That said haven't spent a dime on it and I'll continue on that way, my stingyness is useful in some places

[Squintina]

Asking for an item for free that was produced specifically for another country (in the case of the Nezha items, China—keep in mind that the Chinese servers are run by a different company than SE, and are entirely separate from JP/NA/EU; they even use a different subscription model) in which that audience had to pay for, and that would have never been made available here if players had not asked for it to be, is being entitled. They paid for the product in addition to paying for access to FFXIV China’s servers; why should you get it for free?

It doesn't help that this isn't widespread knowledge.
I didn't even realize this (and it is helping me accept the cash shop's existence for this specific set for the same reasons you mentioned. If a different entity from SE has a stake in these, of course they won't be included in the sub).
I do wonder though, how many cash shop exclusives (exclusive as in: not from a past event) are because of this reason? Is it the majority of it? Or just some of them?

[Wilford111]

I apologize for name calling, but it's honestly how I feel about those people. And btw, I stand by my hypothetical. I'm paying for my time in this wonderful world they've created, but they're taking some of that world and gating it off behind a paywall.

Again, I'm not asking for these items "for free". I'm asking for them because they've already been paid for. With sub money.

No one has successfully called me out on being unreasonable, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I should have explained my points better.

[Wilford111]

As far as the regional items being brought over, I'm okay with these being mogshop items as well, as long as they aren't overpriced.