Whats going on with SE ?

[Okamimaru]

My issue is that the content in general for capped combat classes, main and alts. There isn't anything to do. You cap tomes easily, and gearing an alt involves half-afking in Eureka, which isn't fun gameplay for many people. They haven't made engaging content for casuals at level cap, and increasingly people are getting done with leveling as content.

Look at the new dungeon, alliance raid, trial, eureka map, deep dungeon coming out next... they even added a side quest to the alliace raid this round... see new stuff to do for casuals is right around the corner...

[Vhailor]

FFXIV does not need to encompass all tastes. My husband and I both play other games that are harder. Key words: other games.

I don't mean harder; I mean deeper. The two are not synonymous.

Consider Assault from FFXI as a great example, or, drawing from FFXIV, Palace of the Dead. Both significantly altered playstyle and general rotations, based on a variety of unique objectives (Assault) or a more free-form type of play that wasn't built around Tank / Healer / 2x DD (Palace of the Dead). Neither was a paragon of difficulty, but both offered a different, fresh-feeling experience. Abyssea did too, incidentally, despite being widely ridiculed as content that shredded FFXI's established order and difficulty.

As to the rest of your post, I was perhaps a bit broad. What I mean is, I want something that even alters my f***ing rotations a bit. Where are the fights that actually throw up meaningful status effects with some frequency, relying on me to lean more on Esuna? Where are the fights with wonky Enmity, forcing me to limit my use of big booms like Medica II? Hell, where are the fights that even force me to consider whether a spell is worth casting, because my MP is running low? This type of stuff simply doesn't exist in FFXIV; I never need to worry about Enmity, I never need to worry about MP maintenance (unless it's a Raise-fest), I very rarely need to actually worry about debuffs. That leads to an incredibly one-dimensional experience, and it's getting old. Healing shouldn't just be reduced to a question of "is one player at low HP, or are multiple players at low HP", but that's effectively what XIV has done.

Rescue, by the way, is the exact type of ability that SE should be pushing. That's something that alters my thought process, and gives me a truly unique new tool. Unfortunately, it's got an absurdly long recast timer, and is competing with too many other 'basic requirement' abilities. Artifact Armour from FFXI would also be a great step in the right direction; why not give us certain gear sets that alter how abilities behave, thereby shifting the feel of a Job? This doesn't add difficulty; it adds choice, and depth.

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You're right in that FFXIV doesn't need to encompass all tastes, but very few people enjoy repeating the same thing ad nauseum. My ideal RPG systems are far deeper and more strategic, D&D-style stuff. I know I won't get that from an MMO, and I'm not looking for it. But there are some incredibly simple, accessible games out there - the Diablo series, for example - that nevertheless offer far more depth from a combat system perspective than SE's flagship MMO. That's a problem, because games like this rely upon people being able to spend hundreds of hours enjoyably playing them. When a new wave of dungeons, or even a new expansion, feels like "same old shit, different coat of paint" in all gameplay (re: non-storyline) respects, it makes me worry for the future of the title.

This is entirely your own opinion as the Industry as a whole has changed, even in MMOs in the last 10 years. Subs fees and all content included is becoming extinct. While I am not happy with the outcome being a longtime MMO player, some practices have become a standard which sadly opens the door to try to pull off other microtransactions.

The majority that support such practices aren't even on this forum, completely silent, and use their wallets. Even confronting friends in a non-rude way can be offense, no matter how you break it down, you are literally telling them how their should control their money.

This forum has become less and less of a voice for NA/EU and is still a minority as well, even if everyone shared the same opinion on the subject. So it would have to take a dramatic measure from the consumer base to stop SE on their trend.

Be that as it may, there are relatively few options. And of course it's entirely my opinion isn't everything people share on the forums, beyond direct quotes or references?

I also don't view this as an issue of 'control'. It's more like education, a core component of any successful consumer push against a particular development, such as a boycott. There's no real effort to control others' spending habits, but there is an effort to inform them and, in so doing, perhaps shame them slightly, so as to discourage future spending. And, for people who don't feel strongly enough about the Mog Station or other microtransactions, no harm, no foul. But people who do feel strongly shouldn't forget that there are other tools available to them beyond simply not spending money personally.

[Vstarstruck]

Hi there perhaps it's the Roman numerals that are confusing you... this is final fantasy 14 not final fantasy 11... you seem to be in the wrong game... sounds like you are really wanting final fantasy 11: Remake...

Look, I know you like to twist words but come on, you really missed he point of that post?

I don't think you need to change the jobs fundamentally. My issue is more that you can do everything you can to advance your main combat class in a single day if you are casual, and the primary way of boosting an alt class now is to stand around half afk 80% of the time in Eureka. Content in general is pretty narrow, and the template of it hasn't changed much since HW.

I guess it depends if it needs to or not, does ffxiv need it? who knows, I can only judge the results after such attempt is made. I am getting tried of trying to shoe horn the class role thing though. FFXIV 1.0 it worked it had a point with the concpt with the game, and it is in the game ARR and beyond why? just because 1.0 had it? I think you are missing the point of that post though, it was basically refuting the claim "I've played a bunch of different games, most as a healer. None of these games have ever done what you are saying SE has failed to do, because why on earth would you change how a class/job is supposed to work fundamentally? " other games done it, not saying FFXIV has to, but to suggest things need to be static and predictable because other games never changed fundamentals is way off, almost being a flat out lie, as reason I explained.

They have been saying that they are quitting, then 14 days for forum -.-; if you have seen their post they are always. 14 days can't come fast enough so just like many of their post they are over dramatic and kind of makes you wonder...IF they hate the game soooo much why even bother posting? Why are they still here....real reason...either hypocrisy ( we know they will be back ) or they have nothing better to do. Even logic will insult most people now a days.

Yeah I get you do not like people that are blunt and tell the truth, but you don't have to keep being on my back while making posts that have nothing to with the topic at hand, such as this one you made. Your lack of logic can be considered insulting tbh, like your misplaced concept of applying where the hypocrisy lies. Maybe you missed the point SE even stated in that slide "a complaint is twice as valuable as a complement. "People complain because they care" I care about the heath of the game so much, I am willing to put up with white knight abuse.

Your hate is SUPER misplaced.

Blame the publishers, the shareholders, and the for-more-profit mentality. Don't blame the people getting paid relative peanuts working insane hours making entertainment. They realistically don't see an extra cent from the microtransactions.

Yeah your right, it is a shame, btw your lala is cute in that art.
https://youtu.be/GeEzy3_oywk

[Remedi]

You are not telling the truth, you are wasting your time, even the argument that "I complain because I care" doesn't apply anymore, you've decided what to do about the game and the company atm you are simply spreading your propaganda for what? There are countless other games, countless other franchise, many way to actually spend free time instead of staying here and countering other ppl arguments when they don't are like yours.

[ManuelBravo]

Yeah I get you do not like people that are blunt and tell the truth, but you don't have to keep being on my back while making posts that have nothing to with the topic at hand, such as this one you made. Your lack of logic can be considered insulting tbh, like your misplaced concept of applying where the hypocrisy lies. Maybe you missed the point SE even stated in that slide "a complaint is twice as valuable as a complement. "People complain because they care" I care about the heath of the game so much, I am willing to put up with white knight abuse.
https://youtu.be/GeEzy3_oywk

No I respect people who are blunt and logical, I dislike over dramatic responses specially from players who claim to leave a company until they change their ways, yet comeback during free trails only to find out that not much has change and still claim to be supporters. It's plain and simple if your going to boycott a company do it with style.Do what they tell you in terms of use if you don't agree destroy your copy(ies). send thema video to prove a point. Fill out the survey on why you left that they send you and move on with your life. It's called feed back, it will not be implemented from one day to another. This unfairness that people keep seeing over micro transactions, over optional content, over things that have been cover multiple times, different threads, same BS. If anything the toxicity comes from people that can't keep it in one thread and feel special making another one. You make decent points, however your over dramatic responses, the simple fact on how you have responded in other treads proofs that you like being blunt, yet dislike it when somebody makes an observation that clashes with yours. Instead of new point you bring back past things that have been covered. So yes I do like straight forwardness, it just gets boring reading the same points over and over and over again. As for telling the truth...dude if your going to quit all out or just don't say your quitting. This is not White knight abuse, in your own words is being blunt and telling the truth. and like many other times it's the aspect of this type of business.

[Okamimaru]

Look, I know you like to twist words but come on, you really missed he point of that post?

No I think I nailed it pretty well... you say you love this game (despite unsubbing) yet all you do is complain about EVERY little thing... your solution? Port in as much ff11 as possible... you don't love this game... you love ff11 and are pissed that 14 isn't a updated version of 11... you can say you love 14 all you want but everything you say points to disdain for 14 because it's not 11

[Vstarstruck]

No I think I nailed it pretty well... you say you love this game (despite unsubbing) yet all you do is complain about EVERY little thing... your solution? Port in as much ff11 as possible... you don't love this game... you love ff11 and are pissed that 14 isn't a updated version of 11... you can say you love 14 all you want but everything you say points to disdain for 14 because it's not 11

again wrong, I pulled FFXI as well due to mog station and this app being too cash grabby. Also that post had nothing to do with FFXI, I even explained why. Stop twisting my words.

You made a thread basically mocking people who commented pulling their sub. That is not how you treat people.

Look at this post:

Full stop.

I've played a bunch of different games, most as a healer. None of these games have ever done what you are saying SE has failed to do, because why on earth would you change how a class/job is supposed to work fundamentally? Every single game I've played, a healer heals, from level 1 to max. A few of those games, the healers had literally 0 attack spells. If anything, FFXIV is one of the more variable ones because you spend more time DPSing than healing, depending on the fight.

The other points you brought up make me wonder if you are playing the right genre of game. MMOs have always been lower difficulty curve because anything too difficult alienates the masses (IE: the people that don't want to raid, that probably don't do raids), is about false scarcity and, above all, being social. Funny enough, the things you pointed out that are very successful are exactly the things you want to drive away: things with no difficulty, appeals to both the casual player as the hardcore and is meant to be social activities. There is a reason Balmung is the only limited server anymore; it is "the" social and role-playing hotspot for a large quantity of players.

FFXIV does not need to encompass all tastes. My husband and I both play other games that are harder. Key words: other games.

My reply:

Really? How can anyone see this as logic? Are you really trying to be serious? Since you want to talk about healing, you don't see what wow or FFXI did to change it? Though for ffxi, it might of been a bit more untended but when SCH came out, what you did as WHM/SCH vs the others was def fundamentally different, and WHM/BLM still had some merit with elemental seal and conserve mp trait say if you needed a repose to land as back up, with escape and later warp II. With breaking level 75, a WHM/RDM (less ideal) combo could support with refresh. So even within the same patch, healing changed how you did it based on main job and sub job, this includes blu, dnc, rdm, sch (main) and even backup healing from brd. FFXIV had nothing near this, and the only "change" healing got in ffxiv was gutting it and making it more limiting (gutting stoneskin, making protect and esuna role action, so forth) Wow ofc revamps complete systems semi regularly. being predicable is boring, I can't believe there is 2 people that tried to defend this now. [Also the extreme gutting and nerfs SCH had to deal with in ffxiv for 4.0]

Has nothing to do with changing FFXIV to be FFXI. Also to prove such a point further, People said eureka was "like ffxi" and liked it because it "reminded them of ffxi" I do admit the references was nice, but it does not change my judgement of analyzing it for what it is, the game play there, what you do, and was over all bad. Also FFXI was not the only game referenced.

This is not White knight abuse, in your own words is being blunt and telling the truth. and like many other times it's the aspect of this type of business.

Aspect of business is taking advantage of people? last I checked the word "scam" fit such things. There is a fine line of blatantly ripping people off and doing business. Just because my methods differ from your, does not make your any better or mine any worse. You just hate what I am doing because it is different from your style. I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC. I do not need send them videos of burning disks or whatever.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

[RiyahArp]

Look at the new dungeon, alliance raid, trial, eureka map, deep dungeon coming out next... they even added a side quest to the alliace raid this round... see new stuff to do for casuals is right around the corner...

A lot of that stuff ends up done in 2-3 hours, one day a week, and they compete with each other; dont need to do expert with eureka or maybe dd giving tomes. Alliance is 30 min a week and done.

Really its just eureka and dd, and eureka needs to have changes to make it deeper or more engaging. DD can be good, but it needed to be out earlier, and it has to avoid what made dd suck; casuals farming only the easy floors, hard floors too gated to prevent people from doing them easily.

[QUOTE]

I guess it depends if it needs to or not, does ffxiv need it? who knows, I can only judge the results after such attempt is made. I am getting tried of trying to shoe horn the class role thing though. FFXIV 1.0 it worked it had a point with the concpt with the game, and it is in the game ARR and beyond why? just because 1.0 had it? I think you are missing the point of that post though, it was basically refuting the claim "I've played a bunch of different games, most as a healer. None of these games have ever done what you are saying SE has failed to do, because why on earth would you change how a class/job is supposed to work fundamentally? " other games done it, not saying FFXIV has to, but to suggest things need to be static and predictable because other games never changed fundamentals is way off, almost being a flat out lie, as reason I explained.

Ah, well that is true. I mean, the MMO genre as it is really spends too much time focusing on other games doing (mostly wow) to the genre's detriment, so I'd agree nothing is stopping inovation. I just really am not keen on job changes, because i've had to relearn many jobs multiple times already; just the SMN and MCH changes alone over time have been involved.

[ManuelBravo]

Aspect of business is taking advantage of people? last I checked the word "scam" fit such things. There is a fine line of blatantly ripping people off and doing business. Just because my methods differ from your, does not make your any better or mine any worse. You just hate what I am doing because it is different from your style. I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC. I do not need send them videos of burning disks or whatever.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

I posted this in a different thread hopefully this will make sense, not sure on how scam happens to come about. This response also fits yours, another example how repetitive this has become.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-made-me-unsub.

Yes with the business comes the expectation that the whole reason this game was even manufacture was to make money. That is the number one reason for a business. It's common sense that business can use different tools at their disposal to make money. So like in many other threads... at the end of the day it's up to us to decide on OPTIONAL services. If it seems unfair..just ask your self these simple questions.

Are they or will they be making money?

Are they doing anything illegal?

Am I trowing a tantrum or being over dramatic being I will probably be a hypocrite and use it anyways? (harsh but true )

IF after these people still can't place two and two together, lets ask something else.

Will the game be effected in a way that I can't participate in it or be excluded from content outside of the main story line or expansion sets? if so how? ( would love to hear this one ) Will not having extra retainers or access outside of my PC / gaming console ruin my chances of enjoying this game or am I just being childish and feel it's unfair because other people can afford it?

We all pay subscriptions, some less than others do to legacy, so we all have the same options in one way or another.

As for subscription over a subscription their are several games that have had this in the past, people just refused to acknowledge it.

Your sole excuse of a scam is what is known in the real world as tool to make money.

IF anything I doubt you even know what the word scam is SCAM = a dishonest scheme; a fraud. They are not doing anything illegal, they are being competitive. WE AGREE TO THEIR TERMS and as consumer, we have a choice. As per the previous questions quoted, they should be logical enough to explain that this is not fraud just another way to make money which in fact is the only reason this product was made. It's not charity type of business, it's not a non-profit, therefore this is a normal business practice. People don't need to like but to call it a scam without merit or proving what LEGAL law they have broken, without even noticing that the main purpose is to make money is just illogical. Now if you like to be blunt and tell truth answer this...what law has SE broken? How is it fraud when the choice is left up to us? Please spare the dramatic build up, give a direct law or rule in the trade commission that proofs is a scam. OR a part of the terms of use that SE has broken with us the consumer.

[ReplicaX]

I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

You must have a long list of Boycotted companies then. Tons of cash grabby with DLC companies out there because, yet again the silent majority with their wallets made it an industry standard. Regardless of opinions, this is truth.

Also there is a few avenues you can use than a checkbox upon unsubbing and even these forums. Some simple research pulls results. You also might want to look up Yasu Kurosawa as well. Since you played both XI and XIV. If you are 100% serious you will take that advice and run with it.