Whats going on with SE ?

[ManuelBravo]

Eureka as it is involves everyone running around in the fate train, standing around for most of the time while 6-9 people actually kill the pop mobs, and "leveling" from the exp the fates get you, even though elemental level has nothing to do with actually getting a relic save for upgrading the weapon's final step. (because feathers won't drop if you aren't 19/20.) The leveling aspect could be stripped entirely from the game because the way you advance your relic is just fate drops and the time it takes to get them is what slows you down ultimately. Many people will have a full relic set - the +2 weapon well before they cap elemental level, and the elemental level in gameplay is useless; its just a boost to damage or resistances and effects nothing else.

Like when i thought on it before it launched, I thought we'd need to kill various elemental enemies and fill slots on a magia board in a sphere grid style action, but there's literally none of that. Most of the enemies even we kill only use one type of magia, fire. Many high level fates have fire-based enemies.Even if you didn't match elements, unless you are main tank nothing happens, because elemental level just nerfs your damage or buffs it either way as a hard gate.

edit: boosting means gearing, i thought that was obvious.

I take it common sense has not dawn that for certain fates, just like in normal ones , your contribution plays a role. So of course if your not lvl 19/20 you don't get drops. Kind of why the big picture is that if your level under 15 mainly your a heal / res bot and others do the work. Lvl 20 are there more support ( not all of some actually do help out ) and kills based on how they are needed and make up for it in fates others can't contribute as much hence the party sharing evaluation. If it's such a big deal just do an xp low nm party on your own. You don't have to stick with train. It's just faster to gain xp. All about choices and common sense. Most of us High levels are just crystal farming and if we have all weps, yes most of us do, we don't really need Pazuzu and just tag along for crystals. If people take their sweet time or choose not to go to Eureka as often I feel sympathy...but the world is not fair...SO make it fair or go at the pace that works.

[Okamimaru]

Eureka babble

I'm not sure where you're going with this anti-eureka tirade... it's sole purpose is for relic gears... they tried to make it a little more involved by giving it it's own content instead of forcing people to redo content endlessly... it's not about leveling alts or whatever... again it's optional content...

[RiyahArp]

My issue is that the content in general for capped combat classes, main and alts. There isn't anything to do. You cap tomes easily, and gearing an alt involves half-afking in Eureka, which isn't fun gameplay for many people. They haven't made engaging content for casuals at level cap, and increasingly people are getting done with leveling as content.

[Okamimaru]

My issue is that the content in general for capped combat classes, main and alts. There isn't anything to do. You cap tomes easily, and gearing an alt involves half-afking in Eureka, which isn't fun gameplay for many people. They haven't made engaging content for casuals at level cap, and increasingly people are getting done with leveling as content.

Look at the new dungeon, alliance raid, trial, eureka map, deep dungeon coming out next... they even added a side quest to the alliace raid this round... see new stuff to do for casuals is right around the corner...

[RiyahArp]

Look at the new dungeon, alliance raid, trial, eureka map, deep dungeon coming out next... they even added a side quest to the alliace raid this round... see new stuff to do for casuals is right around the corner...

A lot of that stuff ends up done in 2-3 hours, one day a week, and they compete with each other; dont need to do expert with eureka or maybe dd giving tomes. Alliance is 30 min a week and done.

Really its just eureka and dd, and eureka needs to have changes to make it deeper or more engaging. DD can be good, but it needed to be out earlier, and it has to avoid what made dd suck; casuals farming only the easy floors, hard floors too gated to prevent people from doing them easily.

[QUOTE]

I guess it depends if it needs to or not, does ffxiv need it? who knows, I can only judge the results after such attempt is made. I am getting tried of trying to shoe horn the class role thing though. FFXIV 1.0 it worked it had a point with the concpt with the game, and it is in the game ARR and beyond why? just because 1.0 had it? I think you are missing the point of that post though, it was basically refuting the claim "I've played a bunch of different games, most as a healer. None of these games have ever done what you are saying SE has failed to do, because why on earth would you change how a class/job is supposed to work fundamentally? " other games done it, not saying FFXIV has to, but to suggest things need to be static and predictable because other games never changed fundamentals is way off, almost being a flat out lie, as reason I explained.

Ah, well that is true. I mean, the MMO genre as it is really spends too much time focusing on other games doing (mostly wow) to the genre's detriment, so I'd agree nothing is stopping inovation. I just really am not keen on job changes, because i've had to relearn many jobs multiple times already; just the SMN and MCH changes alone over time have been involved.

[Remedi]

You are not telling the truth, you are wasting your time, even the argument that "I complain because I care" doesn't apply anymore, you've decided what to do about the game and the company atm you are simply spreading your propaganda for what? There are countless other games, countless other franchise, many way to actually spend free time instead of staying here and countering other ppl arguments when they don't are like yours.

[Okamimaru]

Look, I know you like to twist words but come on, you really missed he point of that post?

No I think I nailed it pretty well... you say you love this game (despite unsubbing) yet all you do is complain about EVERY little thing... your solution? Port in as much ff11 as possible... you don't love this game... you love ff11 and are pissed that 14 isn't a updated version of 11... you can say you love 14 all you want but everything you say points to disdain for 14 because it's not 11

[Vstarstruck]

No I think I nailed it pretty well... you say you love this game (despite unsubbing) yet all you do is complain about EVERY little thing... your solution? Port in as much ff11 as possible... you don't love this game... you love ff11 and are pissed that 14 isn't a updated version of 11... you can say you love 14 all you want but everything you say points to disdain for 14 because it's not 11

again wrong, I pulled FFXI as well due to mog station and this app being too cash grabby. Also that post had nothing to do with FFXI, I even explained why. Stop twisting my words.

You made a thread basically mocking people who commented pulling their sub. That is not how you treat people.

Look at this post:

Full stop.

I've played a bunch of different games, most as a healer. None of these games have ever done what you are saying SE has failed to do, because why on earth would you change how a class/job is supposed to work fundamentally? Every single game I've played, a healer heals, from level 1 to max. A few of those games, the healers had literally 0 attack spells. If anything, FFXIV is one of the more variable ones because you spend more time DPSing than healing, depending on the fight.

The other points you brought up make me wonder if you are playing the right genre of game. MMOs have always been lower difficulty curve because anything too difficult alienates the masses (IE: the people that don't want to raid, that probably don't do raids), is about false scarcity and, above all, being social. Funny enough, the things you pointed out that are very successful are exactly the things you want to drive away: things with no difficulty, appeals to both the casual player as the hardcore and is meant to be social activities. There is a reason Balmung is the only limited server anymore; it is "the" social and role-playing hotspot for a large quantity of players.

FFXIV does not need to encompass all tastes. My husband and I both play other games that are harder. Key words: other games.

My reply:

Really? How can anyone see this as logic? Are you really trying to be serious? Since you want to talk about healing, you don't see what wow or FFXI did to change it? Though for ffxi, it might of been a bit more untended but when SCH came out, what you did as WHM/SCH vs the others was def fundamentally different, and WHM/BLM still had some merit with elemental seal and conserve mp trait say if you needed a repose to land as back up, with escape and later warp II. With breaking level 75, a WHM/RDM (less ideal) combo could support with refresh. So even within the same patch, healing changed how you did it based on main job and sub job, this includes blu, dnc, rdm, sch (main) and even backup healing from brd. FFXIV had nothing near this, and the only "change" healing got in ffxiv was gutting it and making it more limiting (gutting stoneskin, making protect and esuna role action, so forth) Wow ofc revamps complete systems semi regularly. being predicable is boring, I can't believe there is 2 people that tried to defend this now. [Also the extreme gutting and nerfs SCH had to deal with in ffxiv for 4.0]

Has nothing to do with changing FFXIV to be FFXI. Also to prove such a point further, People said eureka was "like ffxi" and liked it because it "reminded them of ffxi" I do admit the references was nice, but it does not change my judgement of analyzing it for what it is, the game play there, what you do, and was over all bad. Also FFXI was not the only game referenced.

This is not White knight abuse, in your own words is being blunt and telling the truth. and like many other times it's the aspect of this type of business.

Aspect of business is taking advantage of people? last I checked the word "scam" fit such things. There is a fine line of blatantly ripping people off and doing business. Just because my methods differ from your, does not make your any better or mine any worse. You just hate what I am doing because it is different from your style. I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC. I do not need send them videos of burning disks or whatever.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

[ManuelBravo]

Aspect of business is taking advantage of people? last I checked the word "scam" fit such things. There is a fine line of blatantly ripping people off and doing business. Just because my methods differ from your, does not make your any better or mine any worse. You just hate what I am doing because it is different from your style. I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC. I do not need send them videos of burning disks or whatever.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

I posted this in a different thread hopefully this will make sense, not sure on how scam happens to come about. This response also fits yours, another example how repetitive this has become.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-made-me-unsub.

Yes with the business comes the expectation that the whole reason this game was even manufacture was to make money. That is the number one reason for a business. It's common sense that business can use different tools at their disposal to make money. So like in many other threads... at the end of the day it's up to us to decide on OPTIONAL services. If it seems unfair..just ask your self these simple questions.

Are they or will they be making money?

Are they doing anything illegal?

Am I trowing a tantrum or being over dramatic being I will probably be a hypocrite and use it anyways? (harsh but true )

IF after these people still can't place two and two together, lets ask something else.

Will the game be effected in a way that I can't participate in it or be excluded from content outside of the main story line or expansion sets? if so how? ( would love to hear this one ) Will not having extra retainers or access outside of my PC / gaming console ruin my chances of enjoying this game or am I just being childish and feel it's unfair because other people can afford it?

We all pay subscriptions, some less than others do to legacy, so we all have the same options in one way or another.

As for subscription over a subscription their are several games that have had this in the past, people just refused to acknowledge it.

Your sole excuse of a scam is what is known in the real world as tool to make money.

IF anything I doubt you even know what the word scam is SCAM = a dishonest scheme; a fraud. They are not doing anything illegal, they are being competitive. WE AGREE TO THEIR TERMS and as consumer, we have a choice. As per the previous questions quoted, they should be logical enough to explain that this is not fraud just another way to make money which in fact is the only reason this product was made. It's not charity type of business, it's not a non-profit, therefore this is a normal business practice. People don't need to like but to call it a scam without merit or proving what LEGAL law they have broken, without even noticing that the main purpose is to make money is just illogical. Now if you like to be blunt and tell truth answer this...what law has SE broken? How is it fraud when the choice is left up to us? Please spare the dramatic build up, give a direct law or rule in the trade commission that proofs is a scam. OR a part of the terms of use that SE has broken with us the consumer.

[ReplicaX]

I am full boycotting SE till they shape up, I will not partake in any form of them shifting from making good games to being cash grabby with DLC.

This is not overdrama, this is me being flat out 100% serious. Also they do not give surveys... they just give you a checkbox out of like 7 things when you unsub, all unfitting.. btw...

You must have a long list of Boycotted companies then. Tons of cash grabby with DLC companies out there because, yet again the silent majority with their wallets made it an industry standard. Regardless of opinions, this is truth.

Also there is a few avenues you can use than a checkbox upon unsubbing and even these forums. Some simple research pulls results. You also might want to look up Yasu Kurosawa as well. Since you played both XI and XIV. If you are 100% serious you will take that advice and run with it.