Minimum iLvl - Leveling Dungeons

[Yasminou]

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

[Paladinleeds]

I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

[Yasminou]

Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

You say "there ya go" as if it were easy for the game to juggle with the retainers' inventories, the saddle bag and the arsenal.
Furthermore, people could fill all of these (and equip low-level stuff) so that there is no room for the best gear to be moved an equipped.

[Paladinleeds]

You say "there ya go" as if it were easy for the game to juggle with the retainers' inventories, the saddle bag and the arsenal.
Furthermore, people could fill all of these (and equip low-level stuff) so that there is no room for the best gear to be moved an equipped.

It would swap the positions. So if they filled it all with low level stuff so the gear couldn't be moved, it wouldn't affect it as it would just swap the position (it'd be based on best gear you have, and if people are that willing to delete gear just to avoid it, so be it). If it really came to be it, you could have it so it charged them gil (allowing them to go into negative gil if needed so they can't just empty out their gil to get around it, and it'd work like a loan with interest, and if you accrue too much debt your character gets deleted), in order to remove the currently equipped gear from the game (without reimbursement) and replace it with better gear in levelling duties. I didn't say it'd be easy, and I wasn't attempting to imply it would be with that remark, I was attempting to say "Here's a solution."

[InkstainedGwyn]

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

I'm sure it would require too much code, but they could tie ilvl to char level and not allow you to queue if you don't have minimum ilvl for the highest level dungeon you're of-level to enter.

And I'm not saying the ilvl needs to be ridiculous, it can be super-forgiving. Just something to keep people out of level 40+ dungeons in their starter gear/the level 15 gear they get from the Hall of the Novice. (Or Bardam's Mettle in i185 ><)

[Zojha]

There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

If a significant amount of people feel inclined to downgrade themselves to run Sastasha with their limited kits for the umpteenth time, I'm inclined to think there are far, FAR bigger issues in the higher level content than the fact that you can avoid it.

[Yasminou]

If a significant amount of people feel inclined to downgrade themselves to run Sastasha with their limited kits for the umpteenth time, I'm inclined to think there are far, FAR bigger issues in the higher level content than the fact that you can avoid it.

I agree but just for the fact that people did downgrade themselves during 3.3 to avoid the MSQ trials in the roulette makes me worry about what could happen for the leveling roulette.

I am however in favor of an adaptive minimum item level for these roulettes based on the highest unlock duty and the job level. I just do not know if it is easy for SE to implement that. For instance,
- if someone is lv. 51 and has unlocked Dusk Vigil, the game could require that their ilvl is at least i100 or i110 (drops are i120);
- if someone is lv. 69 and has only unlocked up to Dusk Vigil, the game would only require that their ilvl is again i100 or i110;
- if someone is lv. 69 and has unlocked everything up to Castrum Abania, the game would require that their ilvl is i268 or i278 (drops are i288).

[BillyKaplan]

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

It's easy, actually. Have it follow more closely with the Mentor roulette that forces you into the highest ilvl out of the duties available within the roulette. Just be a smidge more forgiving. You're 65 but you don't have the gear to run Bardam's despite having it unlocked? Well then I see there you cleared Shisui so you obviously have the ilvl for THAT, or at least had it at one point, therefore you may not queue with anything less. It means roulettes will need to dynamically determine what ilvl you're supposed to have whereas now they manually update the Mentor roulette whenever they add new duties into it, which is why I think they haven't done it yet.