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  1. #181
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    DeadRiser's Avatar
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    White Black Mages,
    Black White Mages,
    White Red Mages,
    Red White Mages,
    Black Red Mages,
    Red Black Mages,

    It makes so much sense.
    Because black mages always wore black clothes and still do? If I'm not mistaken, they always have worn blue clothes.

    What gives off that a character is a certain job is the design of the item, not the color. Black Mages cast black magic with a straw pointy hat, white mages cast white magic with a robe with the hood up. The rest you can tell by the design of the armor. The one with the dark looking armor is obviously a dragoon. Oh the one with fur all over their outfit, obviously a warrior. Monk has that dangling thing hanging from their head. I mean I can go on, you get the point.

    And to say that we need these COLORS to tell who is who, you won't need colors to decide that. You just need to know the persons name and what job they are. And especially in 2.0, we will have a symbol by our names that say what our job is in the party. I mean how much more do you need?
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  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess View Post
    I never said I was anti tradition?
    I said it was assumptions (do not take it personal, pretty princess) since I'm still trying to understand your vague FFT thing that'd give sense to a black White Mage AF outfit and a white Black Mage AF outfit.

    Even if there is, it won't change my personal opinion that it doesn't make much sense and that I don't care much (I'm just trying to add wood in the fire since those threads are entertaining to read while I wait for reports).
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  3. #183
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    Lienn Deleene
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    I said it was assumptions (do not take it personal, pretty princess) since I'm still trying to understand your vague FFT thing that'd give sense to a black White Mage AF outfit and a white Black Mage AF outfit.

    Even if there is, it won't change my personal opinion that it doesn't make much sense and that I don't care much (I'm just trying to add wood in the fire since those threads are entertaining to read while I wait for reports).
    Most FFs have multiple color, often also working in a inverting way. In FFT red mages second color is blue and blue mages second color is red. Green goes purple (purple thief) and purple goes green (green dragoon) and so on. There is nothing wrong in having multiple colors on AFs.
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  4. #184
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    Corrderio Arseid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Hardly. I'd say model is the smaller part.
    This is really up for debate since tradition has changed ever since the games went 3D.

    Tifa/Zell are considered Monks but they don't wear the tradintial gi attire

    Freya is a Dragoon but her design looks nothing like the traidiontal

    Eikko was a White mage but didn't didn't wear the traditional robe (Garnet did during the first bit of FF9, but the irony is she was the more potent summoner while Eikko was the better White Mage, yet had the summoner horn)

    Garnet - See above

    Khimari was a Dragoon/Blue Mage, but his gear didn't suggest that
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Most FFs have multiple color, often also working in a inverting way. In FFT red mages second color is blue and blue mages second color is red. Green goes purple (purple thief) and purple goes green (green dragoon) and so on. There is nothing wrong in having multiple colors on AFs.

    Thanks.

    Then, there is nothing wrong with the first AF set being the traditional color, and other future job specific equipment being colored differently ?

    That's exactly what the rep said.
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  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    Thanks.

    Then, there is nothing wrong with the first AF set being the traditional color, and other future job specific equipment being colored differently ?

    That's exactly what the rep said.
    Of course there isn't. The "main" color should be the official one...it's just not really nice not letting people dye them at will...if the player prefer his WHM to look like a sith lord with that cloak black, why not?
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  7. #187
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrderio View Post
    This is really up for debate since tradition has changed ever since the games went 3D.
    The traditions haven't. That doesn't mean the games have to follow said traditions.

    One could argue that the identity with those characters only came in to practice with the role they performed in, plus perhaps their gender and characteristics as well. Oh, but you still couldn't change their equipment around, so they always had a certain identity to them through that approach also. Maybe not specifically job identity, but something to set them apart from each other.

    The fact is that all characters in past FF games have had certain identity to them, whether it has been traditional or not is irrelevant. Identity is important, and when it comes to traditional jobs, color is very much a part of what identifies them from one another. White white mages, black black mages, purple dragoons, white paladins.

    The fact that you admitted that it's up for debate proves that it's not some bullshit excuse as you seem to imply. We can debate it all we want, the fact remains that some people, rightfully so, identify a traditional FF job with the traditional color. That alone shows that the dev team has a point, as much as you'd like to reject it. When you strip the Job away from a part of what makes it unique, you also shit on everyone who identify Dragoons as the purple job and White mages as the white job.
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  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Of course there isn't. The "main" color should be the official one...it's just not really nice not letting people dye them at will...if the player prefer his WHM to look like a sith lord with that cloak black, why not?
    The first main AF will be white and red, but we've been officially confirmed there will be other job specific gear that can be dyed.

    It's entirely plausible there will be WHM specific armor that can be dyed black.
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  9. #189
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    Veto Bahamut
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Of course there isn't. The "main" color should be the official one...it's just not really nice not letting people dye them at will...if the player prefer his WHM to look like a sith lord with that cloak black, why not?
    because this is final fantasy, and a white mage is a white mage, not a sith lord.

    seriously, of all the things people can cry about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    I've confirmed with the dev. team that they won't be making it possible to dye job-specific equipment in the future. For some people, jobs and their equipment hold a special image in their minds and there might be those put off by the fact that the image can be altered by being able to dye them multiple colors. We want to maintain that special image by keeping the equipment uniform.

    However, in the future, it might be possible to release different colored job-specific equipment as new items.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    The first main AF will be white and red, but we've been officially confirmed there will be other job specific gear that can be dyed.

    It's entirely plausible there will be WHM specific armor that can be dyed black.
    Try reading that again. At this point they specifically say the opposite of what you said.

    Also I see no hint as to what AF gear colors would be, where do you get your infor on that?
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