Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[aesteval]

If anything, it seems like Square-Enix is putting more development into side projects seemingly to the point of stripping away resources for this game, because who needs new stuff in a money-raking flagship MMORPG when Dragon Quest 47 can be made (or whatever idiotic number it's on).

...talking about what number Dragon Quest is on during a Final Fantasy discussion...lol. Here's a hint: FF is ahead numerically. Dragon Quest as a series is also self sufficient and seems to be getting managed as a project better than several other Squeenix properties currently.

[Odstarva]

It is problematic that people's arguments for this not being a p2w mechanic is "well, I know someone with many retainers that makes less gil".

Just because you have friends that suck at gil-making doesn't make this point any less valid.
If you have two equally geared gatherer/crafters with over 400 items to sell, obviously the one with the most retainers has a higher probability to sell all of the stock in a shorter time-frame.

Now add to that instant market-control (for an extra fee!) on a mobile-app, and you have a scarier p2w mechanic.

People that say gil is worthless won't be able to say that much longer, after the app releases. Unless these same people defending this system are the ones that would subscribe to it anyways!
Ahah...

[Tridus]

I forgot how spiteful blue posters can be on wow

That wasn't very spiteful. That was the kind of communication XIV needs more of: they explained exactly what rationale was used to make the decision that they did.

[Remedi]

That wasn't very spiteful. That was the kind of communication XIV needs more of: they explained exactly what rationale was used to make the decision that they did.

I was talking about the second part and tbh as a community manager you don't answer to trolls, which the quote he replied to was a troll post

the first part was insightful yes I won't deny that

[Reynhart]

So if we take the time that I need to sell the stuff as the win, I win.

Yet again, you win...more gils. In a game that requires far less gils than any serious farmer can earn, even with the Entry account, because new competitive items are only released every 6 months.

Selling items on the market board is intrinsically competitive. If you have two items listed on the market, one each from a different player, both players are competing to sell that item.

You're right, but how many retainers you have is irrelevant. What changes is how your strategy, by selling maybe a little cheaper, or selling units or packs, etc...Economy is far more complicated than "more shop than a contender = more benefit"
And again, the only thing you gain are gils. Gils are not a goal.

[Vstarstruck]

I was talking about the second part and tbh as a community manager you don't answer to trolls, which the quote he replied to was a troll post

the first part was insightful yes I won't deny that

Na, I read it over a few times and I came up to the conclusion it did not have a better reply to say such a thing.

Yet again, you win...more gils. In a game that requires far less gils than any serious farmer can earn, even with the Entry account, because new competitive items are only released every 6 months.

You're right, but how many retainers you have is irrelevant. What changes is how your strategy, by selling maybe a little cheaper, or selling units or packs, etc...Economy is far more complicated than "more shop than a contender = more benefit"
And again, the only thing you gain are gils. Gils are not a goal.

Yet again, someone that thinks combat is the only thing that matters in this game. Retainers makes gil earning P2W it does not matter if that is useless to you. If you know what you are doing yes it does matter, it has a big impact.

Limited by Kupo nuts though.

There is no limit, you pay for IRL money to bypass it.
So that is another P2W aspect.

[Rinuko]

Now add to that instant market-control (for an extra fee!) on a mobile-app

Limited by Kupo nuts though.

[Odstarva]

Gils are not a goal.

Sure, gils are a means to an end though... A goal, if you will.

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Are we really going to argue over what pay to win means? Can't we agree this is, in short, really bad practice? How can you justify the advantage a player has in the market so long as they pay an -extra- fee?

One thing is having an advantage via in-game mechanics, ie by playing the game. The other is getting advantages by doing things outside the game, in this case PAYING for it. Can you not see the issue here?

[Rinuko]

Sure, gils are a means to an end though... A goal, if you will.

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Are we really going to argue over what pay to win means? Can't we agree this is, in short, really bad practice? How can you justify the advantage a player has in the market so long as they pay an -extra- fee?

One thing is having an advantage via in-game mechanics, ie by playing the game. The other is getting advantages by doing things outside the game, in this case PAYING for it. Can you not see the issue here?

Advantage on MB for what? Premium user have the OPTION to make gil slightly faster or have a little more inventory space? lol

There is no limit, you pay for IRL money to bypass it.
So that is another P2W aspect.

We don't know that yet? Did they say you can buy coins or nuts with real money? I can't recall seeing that.

[Avatre]

We don't know that yet? Did they say you can buy coins or nuts with real money? I can't recall seeing that.

Additionally(pretty sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread that you could buy the coins/nuts through the app for money), do we know if it is unlimited purchases a day, or as some MMOs do, limit/question you if you exceed a certain number of purchases a day/week/month(though I have never heard of this type of thing for a mobile app...it's still a potential)?