Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Divinemights]

You're being sarcastic, right?

If the United States was a true democratic nation, it would have a different president right now, because the current president did not win the popular vote, which is what a democracy is ruled by: the majority of people.

The U.S. is a Republic, not a Democracy.

Obama lost the popular vote too in his second election, but he is not a Republic, so I am not sure what you are trying to say.
The system wise took the states with less population in mind and is agreed on by all states, so system wise, it is still democratic (I am Canadian, there is no point to defend US, just from a Canadian's perspective)

[Vstarstruck]

Lmao, oh sorry, it is roflmao.
When you are starts questioning the concept of democracy, that is pretty much enough.
Good thing United States show the world that they are democratic enough in 2016 President election.

Same old that everyone that disagree is a White Knight lmao

So what is your point? the minority got their way with 2016 US president
What exactly is your point? other then to derail the topic?
The "majority" can also be wrong, that is why no pure democracy exists.
I said the majority can sometimes be wrong, not that they are always wrong.

You are missing several points completely.
One I am calling you a white knight over clawing at anything for a defense (weak arguments like the one you are doing now)
"Yes, Japanese prefers premium mobile app with overwhelming positive reception, this is a fact."
Oh ? first off proof, and no heresay is not proof
second off, it has nothing to do with the point, them having a positive reaction does not change the fact it is P2W, all it shows is they like wasting money and being ripped off.

You're being sarcastic, right?

If the United States was a true democratic nation, it would have a different president right now, because the current president did not win the popular vote, which is what a democracy is ruled by: the majority of people.

The U.S. is a Republic, not a Democracy.

beat me to it because of the dang quotas but it is technically a Democratic-republic.

This forum at times shows why a pure democracy does not work, what Divinemights is attempting is a tyranny by majority situation, and the REASON no government body is a pure democratic system.
Divinemights does not like me because I will not be silenced and pushed around by their bullying.

Obama lost the popular vote too in his second election, but he is not a Republic, so I am not sure what you are trying to say.
The system wise took the states with less population in mind and is agreed on by all states, so system wise, it is still democratic (I am Canadian, there is no point to defend US, just from a Canadian's perspective)

wow you really do not understand what is going on, what obama's party is has nothing to do with what momomi said. Also no person is a "republic" you mean a Republican. (calling someone a republic makes no sense whatsoever if you know the meaning of that word)This is why you do not see the problems with pay to win with retainers, because you got no clue what is going on, taking 2 people to correct you over US presidents in hoping you understand after this posting of it. Also you are wrong, it was Popular vote 65,915,795 vs 60,933,504, try google before spewing nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...election,_2012

Now are we done derealing? This is exactly why I called you a white knight, because you use weak arguments that have no real point and clawing at anything you can get a hold of to blind defend SE.

[Kazrah]

You need a cookie on so many levels. I love how they say it takes time away from developing other content. But that doesn't happen in the FF world though. All these side projects don't hinder in game development. In no way could thye have been working on UI systems for retainers/MB in game instead of this app. Or one of 100 other things players could list. Good thing they got their freemium on.

If anything, it seems like Square-Enix is putting more development into side projects seemingly to the point of stripping away resources for this game, because who needs new stuff in a money-raking flagship MMORPG when Dragon Quest 47 can be made (or whatever idiotic number it's on). Priorities, amirite?

-political nonsense-

Yeah, might wanna finish that up before the thread gets locked for that stuff. Just report them and move onto making suggestions.

[Rinuko]

Which isn't p2w... it's a trash player paying to be a trash player...

Not sure i'd go that far calling out people being trash. I could totally see someone with too much gil buying a clear. But this has nothing to do with the topic.

[Remedi]

Selling items on the market board is intrinsically competitive. If you have two items listed on the market, one each from a different player, both players are competing to sell that item.

Crafting to sell items is, as well, competitive. The person who can craft items the fastest or cheapest has a competitive advantage over someone who can't.

Crafting and earning gil are quite a big part of the game, whether you care about it or not.

I respectfully disagree, the inflation in the economy is on a base level because there's no restriction whatsoever in gathering and crafting not to mention the insane amounts of money that the game provides to the players.
While your point is sounds, on paper, I think that FF14 is broken from the get got even before bots and extra retainers, which makes it uncompetitive from my point of wiew

[Alleo]

by that logic I could win even more by unsubbing and save myself not only time but real money... this game has no defined endgame so winning is arbitrary based on personal goals...

Well technically you would win more real life but P2W has to be about the game so yes you would still win more time if you have P2W advantages. Its often the reason behind such items. Either get stronger items or you can do something faster. The last one is what retainers do. You can sell stuff faster and get to your goals faster. I mean what game truly has a very specific defined endgame? Wouldnt that make booster and stuff like that kinda okay in nearly all games? And if this game has none, why not sell savage gear on the mog station or boosters? I mean its not THE endgame right?

[MomomiMomi]

I respectfully disagree, the inflation in the economy is on a base level because there's no restriction whatsoever in gathering and crafting not to mention the insane amounts of money that the game provides to the players.
While your point is sounds, on paper, I think that FF14 is broken from the get got even before bots and extra retainers, which makes it uncompetitive from my point of wiew

Do you even craft? It's not that exactly easy to sell high ticket items.

My post comes from experience as a crafter in this game for 4 years now. I was doing endgame crafting within 1 month of me starting the game. Selling items can be a pain, and only the most competitive succeed.

People push others out of markets all the time, either due to cheap goods or so much stock that you can't possibly compete.

Having more gil and more retainers have a huge impact on these aspects.

[Remedi]

I do, not on a hardcore level mind you, but yes I do. I haven't spent a gil on any materials either and crafted many items for my friends for free since frankly they cost me 0 to craft.

I'm not a huge gillionare either, but I have enough gil to buy w/e I want from MB or so I feel

The fact that crafting for raids do not involve anymore specialist recipes has really cut the values on any crafted gear, not to mention all crafted gear are simply macroable.
Plenty of wrong in the market atm as I said

[MomomiMomi]

I do, not on a hardcore level mind you, but yes I do. I haven't spent a gil on any materials either and crafted many items for my friends for free since frankly they cost me 0 to craft.

I'm not a huge gillionare either, but I have enough gil to buy w/e I want from MB or so I feel

Time is money, though. Nothing is free.

[Remedi]

Time is money, though. Nothing is free.

Ye well, either they suffer trough tomestone into sigmanormal gear farming for subpar items OR I can give them something better in a few mins, since the time I spent on them would've been spent doing nothing, it was a win/win situation.