Request: Please give us alternate ways to obtain PVP armour and weapons

[Aviars]

So that "known botter at the top of the leaderboards" post was a fluke?

You clearly don't understand what the post was about. It was about a player botting frontlines and being in the top 3 of the frontline standings they have on one of the pages.

Not Feast. I hope that was clear to you.

Bots don't do well enough to get even close to top 100, that is a fact.

[Divinemights]

What are you two are arguing at?
I thought OP is talking about the alternative ways to obtain those vendor PvP weapon and gear because he is on Gaia data centre and unable to get it because he is not on board with JP prime time.

[Aviars]

What are you two are arguing at?
I thought OP is talking about the alternative ways to obtain those vendor PvP weapon and gear because he is on Gaia data centre and unable to get it because he is not on board with JP prime time.

He goes into every thread trying to ask for the hellhound mount cause he like, wants it really bad! So I just try to shut down the entitled attitude that such a thing creates.

You are right that the OP is referring to items that you can buy with wolf marks already though. I personally think SE needs to do more to make PVP fun and perhaps more accessible to smaller amounts of people. Rival Wings requires I think around 48 people per game. Shatter at least 24. Square Enix should be trying to release modes that require less people. Capture the flag type gamplay can easily be made to require two 8 man teams, lowering the number of people required to get a game started by a huge margin.

However moving PVP items to the golden saucer just doesn't make sense to me at all. Fixes should be within PVP not shoved off to another game mode

[Gallus]

Do you really think the PVP community of FFXIV is small because SE failed to make it fun/balanced? Personally, I don't think so.

The community is small because it's PVP, simple as that. PVP attracts the worst kind of behaviours, people that insult you, trash talk, afk, ragequit, ignore mark spam you, add you to their friend list to further insult you. That's PVP.

Not SE's fault that most people that play this game don't want to go through the above. PVP online communities are just insufferable. FFXIV is no exception.

They even had to remove the chat because the harassment was overwhelming.


I'd vote yes to not locking anything behind The Feast Ranked, not because I don't think there shouldn't be any exclusive stuff, but because locking it behind a place where you are most likely gonna get bombarded with crappy language and insults is not a very good idea. Most people won't even bother stepping in (for obvious reasons) and most new players that give it a try will not take long to regret it.

[Zojha]

Do you really think the PVP community of FFXIV is small because SE failed to make it fun/balanced?

Considering plenty if not most of the top popular games on the market are PvP games and a lot of FFXIV players are playing those games on the side, especially during patch lulls...
I'd say yes, that's a fair assumption. LoL has been known as one of the most toxic games out there (it coined the term), but that didn't stop it from gaining millions upon millions of players - 100 million monthly active users, concurrent user peaks in the double digit millions. Top games on Steam are PUBG, DotA2 and CS:GO, with 2,4 million, 600k and 500k daily peak respectively. And that's just a few where you can get actual numbers (Blizzard is secretive about numbers). For comparison, our lodestone surveys usually only spit up around 700-500k characters over several months.

The main things hindering PvP popularity are:
a) It's bad
b) It requires a subscription (though as stated in a different thread, I'm not so sure about this point anymore with the Free Trial changes)

The first point is why a good amount of players who already have a subscription simply goes to play PUBG, LoL or something if they feel like PvP, rather than stepping into Frontlines or Feast. The latter is self explanatory.

And that's why I personally also would rather not have to step into it for certain rewards. In fact, it's a pet peeve of mine when people clamor for even more rewards to try and get people to put up with that mess while denying that it is a mess. Though I suppose it's natural not to consider it a mess if one is part of the enviable minority that actually enjoys it.

That said, the OP has two options: Wait until a new mode gets introduced and queues are popping briefly so he can snatch the wolf marks he needs and run off, or organize matches himself. Custom games don't give wolf marks IIRC, so they'd have to pick a different mode to farm in and Feast training is probably the easiest, since it only requires 8 players and you're not likely to disturb people much, because it's dead as fried fish.

I doubt SE would make the rewards available outside of PvP. More likely they'll just add more on top and you'll have to work off the backlog while you can.

[Gallus]

You are neglecting so many things here.

Most FFXIV players did not come to FFXIV thinking they'd go nuts with a PVP system. The average FFXIV player can't deal with the sort of harassment you come across in any ranked mode. Why do you think SE tries as hard as possible to protect their players from getting harassed? They can go as far as to remove the chat in an attempt to avoid such thing. The reason they are very strict with these kind of behaviours is because they are well aware of the nature of their subscribers. Have you forgotten about the dozens of threads we had about people threatening to quit because they felt disheartened after a bunch of veterans left them behind in Praetorium when they were watching cutscenes? That's child's play compared to the garbage you have to go through in a ranked mode. And SE's policy to protect their players has gone as far as to make these cutscenes unskippable.

Second, the most obnoxious situations always happen in ranked mode, the feast practically exists only in that mode. I can go to LoL and play arams or normal games and have a much more enjoyable time than dealing with the top 100 ignore mark spammers and ragequitters from The Feast. Can I play Normal games in The Feast? Not only queues ever pop, there are no rewards behind normal games (both things are obviously related). What are my options? Frontlines? Rival Wings? They are more like a Circus of Bots than anything.

And last, the Ranked PVP of this game is bound to fail no matter what changes you make. Seeing a lot of people going nostalgic over the old PVP system when on reality there were less people playing back then than now is mind boggling. Why do you think the PVP Ranked community slightly increased? Because they made PVP more interesting? They removed the chat and alleviated the harassment problem to a certain extent that is, but people are already starting to grief others in other ways now that they can't do it through chat anymore; ignore mark spamming, whispering you through an alt or outright leaving the match are apparently the new trend. It won't take long until The Feast is reduced to the same bunch of people that played back then. And it's going to be once again the nature of the ranked players' fault that's gonna ultimately make the Ranked community marginal again; nothing to do with fun or balance.
Watch time prove me right.

[Stormfur]

What are you two are arguing at?

Yeah, some people come in and try to argue with because they're special little snowflakes that want to keep their precious pixels exclusive for YEARS 'cause like the company PROMISED -- despite the fact that many other exclusive things have been made available again for more people to obtain.

[Stormfur]

Really good points

I like PVP, and I like Feast, but putting rewards (not just the exclusive ones, but the GARO horse and such) in there is like "here, drink this toilet water and tell me how delicious it is." Most people hated it, but slogged through it anyway to get the thing and never went back. That's not how you create a community or foster a spirit of cooperation and collaboration -- all things this game is well-known for.

[Kai_Lee]

Your forgetting there is a lot of pve award which will never be available again. Should SE make them available again as well? Would unfair to the players who struck around to get them.

[Stormfur]

I've got no problem with that. If they want to make the tattoo available or the other Goobue (although isn't that the same one that the sylphs give you?), no problem at all. Any other PVE rewards like from other events? No problem with it. I would even go so far as to make them available in-game and not on mog station (for the things that are there), but that's not my call.

I just think that if you're buying a physical item to get an in-game thing (like the Odin/Shiva statue), that you do it because 1) you really like that character anyway, and 2) you want to support the company. If you're buying a statue JUST for an in-game emote then I have to say that IMO your priorities are a mess. If someone comes along later and buys that ice dance or zantetsuken for $15 on the mog station when you paid $150 for a statue two years ago to get it... in all honesty, do you feel ripped off? If so, see that thing I wrote about priorities.