Request: Please give us alternate ways to obtain PVP armour and weapons

[Awha]

To be honest you never actually give me a straight answer as to why people deserve what they can't have. Your "answer" is always a philosophical question of why should I care that people get something for "free" versus me/other people getting it through extreme effort and achievement.

It's actually quite mind boggling how you can say such things with a straight face. Why should I work for 1 million dollars if comparatively I could possibly just get 1 million dollars for doing absolutely nothing? You honestly have no sense of value of anything and why things hold value. How can something be considered an object of value when it's made extremely common/accessible?

You never answer these questions, you just say the same thing over and over.

Your money example does not fit within this situation since if 1 million dollars were to be handed out to everyone that would cause inflation, which could lead to some negative impacts on our economy.

Also I have answered many times in the other thread, if the item in question has no objective consequences tied to it, that could be backed up what does it matter if 1 million people have the item in question. Now I do not have the data, so for all I know I could be wrong, but if the data shows that handing out past rewards to people for simply logging in would have a massively negative impact on PvP queues I will agree that I my stance is foolish.

Now thankfully most people do not have my extreme stance and are asking for reasonable options that still require time and commitment to obtain, all they are asking for is a means to obtain the item over the course of time since.

Way I see it is like this, say if A entered into a competition for a prize and only 100 people received this prize (whatever you wish for the prize to me) however, the company holding the tournament and handed out the prizes realizes their is a demand for the prize and years later does a release so more people can get a chance at getting the prize. Does that inherently detracts from effort and skill displayed by those that were able to be one of the 100 people that won it before. Sure you can feel slighted, but end of the day outside of the social context your accomplishment in no way was devalued.

I am certain many people hold fairly common things of value that mark some achievement or accomplishment. First dollar made, diploma, a prize for a contest, etc . . . this is where the impasse stems from. For me personally, the value of an item is determined by me. I am sure even you have an item that has value to you despite how common/accessible it is. For example Naruto Ninja Storm 2 was the first game I ever bought with my own money, I still have it and it is extremely valuable to me despite how common it is. In the end we are the only ones that can determine the personal value of an item. Now social vale is another beast, and I will agree any changes made to the current system that makes past rewards obtainable over time will detract from the social value of an item. If that is what one cares about so be that is fine, not going to say that their sense of value is wrong since I have no right say that. I just wish more people would be honest if that that was the reason why they want the items to remain exclusive.

I get what Awha is trying to point out. Lets say the first 100 people who clear O8S get a mount but everyone else after don't get one. Did those people who came after put any less effort or work in than the first 100 people?

Pretty much haha, thank you.

[Aviars]

Your money example does not fit within this situation since if 1 million dollars were to be handed out to everyone that would cause inflation, which could lead to some negative impacts on our economy.

It actually does, especially since the items in question are meant as a REWARD for the TOP 100. They are explicitly meant to be rare and exclusive to the point where only 100 people per datacenter receive the reward in question. If you release the reward to the masses, guess what, the items get more common/inflated to the point where they aren't valued anymore.

In this case the negative impact is that nobody actually has to even care about trying to get top 100. Square Enix intends these rewards to create competition for top spots. Just accept the facts man.

[Awha]

It actually does, especially since the items in question are meant as a REWARD for the TOP 100. They are explicitly meant to be rare and exclusive to the point where only 100 people per datacenter receive the reward in question. If you release the reward to the masses, guess what, the items get more common/inflated to the point where they aren't valued anymore.

In this case the negative impact is that nobody actually has to even care about trying to get top 100. Square Enix intends these rewards to create competition for top spots. Just accept the facts man.

Your money example does not work since if one million dollars were given to everyone without doing anything that would cause mass inflation that has negative impacts on economy.

With the top 100 rewards, you say if they became more common no one would care about reaching top 100. In a social context yes if the reward was fairly common no one would give a shit about someones top 100 achievement, but on a personal level why does that matter? Competition would still exist among those that want to prove they are the very best, if their goal is to reach top 100 out of a sense of competition the commonality of a reward should have very little effect on ones drive to prove they are very best, unless said reason they were taking part in the competition was to lord the reward over others. Which is fine, but once again wish people would be more honest if that was the case.

In the end it really comes down to why someone took part in the activity. If someone does something solely for the rewards then I will agree any change will have a negative impact on that persons enjoyment, however if you take part in something for the chance to prove they are the best, or simply enjoy it. How common a reward is inherently does not detract ones accomplishment or the experience, and thus does not detract from the personal value placed on the reward as a result of reaching said goal. I think I am wrong but this line of thinking makes me feel as if someone should not be proud of getting their diploma because of how common they are now, and thus by how common they are in a social context yes a basic BA is not worth much of anything now.