Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[Llus]

Well, I looked at your fflogs and TBH since you only have 1 parse on SMN on O5S, 2 parses on PLD on O5S, 1 parse on DRG on 6, 1 parse on SMN on 6 and 2 on PLD on 6 it's difficult to tell how you're doing really. A total of 3 wins on 5s and 4 on 6S shows that you haven't spent much time in either. These parses are also early on in the content so your gear is going to make a ton of difference. What this shows me is that you haven't spent time trying to optimize your role. Without optimizing your bursts to line up with raid buffs as long as you're optimizing your own role you should be hitting around 50th percentile. So, what does this mean for you personally? Basically, hit the gym. You were running races with friends and you just went to a track meet and got blown away. You shouldn't have this shake your confidence, what you should take from this is that you need improvement. 9th percentile shows you have a ton of room for improvement that can EASILY be done by simply speaking with other SMNs who are running 90th percentile.

So advice. Seeing that you're running as SMN, DRG and PLD with PLD being easily your higher performance this tells me that either PLD is easier for you or you've spent more time on PLD. TBH PLD rotation is pretty simple. All tanks rotations are pretty simple compared to DPS rotations.

Get your rotation right. So first make sure you're getting your base rotation down. Speak with people on your server who are 80th percentile and above to find out what their basic rotation is and hit a striking dummy. And by hit a dummy, I mean spend more than just a few minutes. Hit the striking dummy until your basic rotation becomes muscle memory. If you've built up bad habits with a different rotation, you need to spend enough time on a striking dummy to reset your muscle memory because when you get into savage and mechanics are happening you tend to revert to muscle memory.

Work on one class at a time. Trying to improve more than one class at a time is like trying to learn more than one language at a time. You're going to lose performance in one class as you're learning something new in a different class (besides not being able to gear up more than 1 class at a time, you're going to get some false negatives from the classes you use that are less geared).

Set goals. Setting goals will go a LONG way in both improving your confidence and your performance. So you're in the 9th percentile on SMN right now, set a goal to be 50th percentile in 2 weeks (assuming you have good gear this should be an achievable goal).

Learn the fight. This is probably the 2nd biggest reason people don't do well on savage content, the first being DPS rotation. Learning a fight is going to be just like learning your basic rotation. The more you do a fight the more muscle memory starts to kick in and your performance will improve over time (even if your rotation and gear sucks, just getting the timing down will improve your performance) Learning the fight requires more than just watching the guides too. Understanding the fight and each phase well before going in will help your percentile on your first clear and I recommend watching not only guides but clears from the POV of the class you intend to use.

Once you have your DPS rotation right, know the fight well and have good gear you should be able to hit around 50th percentile consistently. At 50th percentile, you still have room for improvement. In case you didn't know, 50th percentile means average and being average isn't bad. It means that you are performing as well as most other players (50% of players are worse than you, 50% of players are better than you). Now you can work on trying to be an elitist scum and go from a C, to a B or even an A.

Elitist scum tier. Once I get 50th percentile I try to work on getting at least 75th percentile. To achieve that, you need to start optimizing your rotation so that your burst lines up with raid buffs (trick attack, balance, fey wind, brotherhood, hypercharge etc). Since these things are out of your control, it's easier to get 75th percentile in a static that try to align their buffs. When other good players are running with you in pug, you can expect that raid buffs will align better and it will be easier to hit that 75th percentile with other good players.

Every class that depends on raid buffs will perform better in a static than in pug, however if you run with a ninja, mch, mnk or ast friend you can still work together to align your bursts and improve your performance. With an AST, if they're feeding you balance (which does happen quite often with people pugging in 90th percentiles) you can both help each other (like mana shift your AST or do a swiftcast raise for them, addle for raid wide magic damage, apoc during a magic tank buster so your healer buddy doesn't have to heal as much and can continue DPSing)

Once you're in the 75th percentile, to get higher you now need to start min-maxing. Aligning your buffs with raid buffs, holding your burst when the boss is about to move out of range or become untargetable etc. And to do this you need to be intimately familiar with the fight. Spending more time doing the fight will improve your timing in that fight. Think about how the fight will progress and plan for what you're going to do. If everyone is working together, you'll be able to hit that 90th percentile. If you DON'T hit that 90th percentile, don't let that get you down. 90th percentile is difficult to get. If it were easy, it would be 50th percentile.

In summary, pick one class to improve; speak with other players in 90th percentile to steal their secrets, learn the fight very well. Practice, practice practice.

[Dualgunner]

Just sounds like a huge privacy lawsuit waiting to happen the more I think about it. At this point, it would be best for SE to just release their own parser to avoid this issue. Online privacy is a legal right for some players in certain countries.

If you owned the data, maybe. But...you don't.

But I mean...if you feel there's a case, go ahead and sue FFLogs.

[Moogly]

Thought I was good at Summoner, ended up finding out that I haven't been able to break out of the 9th percentile. It kind of messes with me, because here I am, advocating for a better player base and instead, I am playing at a below average level.

@Dualgunner
This is why I'm saying that OP is starting to understand that he might be annoying to certain players, that he starts understanding why people call him elitist and all, and how wrong it was coming from him.

Yes, the original subject is about how OP was disillusionned about his performance, but I do still firmly believe that if he hadn't had that elitist mindset to begin with, he wouldn't even be depressing.
I main tank, and I think I am around 30 percentile. Do I care ? No, because I had lot of fun doing it. So 70% performed better than me ? I honestly don't give a dam...
I do use act to track my performance, but it is just to see if I'm doing things correctly, not a tool to give myself the whip.
In fact, the greatest feeling of satisfaction I had in that game, wasn't topping DPS as a tank... but spending 90 minutes wiping on king moogle ex, with a sprout group, and managing to beat it at the last second.
I honestly don't understand how you can get depressed over underperforming in a video game, this just makes no sense to me. It's not as if playing ffxiv was at the same level as playing in the Olympics !
It is a good thing to be harsh on oneself in order to improve, but depressing for a game - and especially for a ranking...

To you it looks like a small fish that fell in the shark pound, to me it just looks like a pride that has been shattered to pieces.

So even though the original subject isn't about elitists jerks and all, elitism still is the core of this problem (and many others, like the healers dispute).

[SaitoHikari]

Just sounds like a huge privacy lawsuit waiting to happen the more I think about it. At this point, it would be best for SE to just release their own parser to avoid this issue. Online privacy is a legal right for some players in certain countries.

It's a very good way to waste a lawyer's money, the time of everyone who has to preside over such an idiotic case, and end up in debt. It'd be immediately laughed out of a courtroom. The website doesn't carry any real life information besides the email used to sign up for it, and that information isn't available publicly.

Sometimes thinking too hard does not lead to good results.

[RiyahArp]

I want to say, for someone who has already self-admitted to being sidetracked (and is clearly responsible for sidetracking the entire thread into being purely a parser debate rather than one involving ego VS personal improvement)

If a person Kaiva knows had said to her this, it wouldn't have been an issue and they could have improved together. FFlogs makes performance data public, and that lets random people with no tie to you, not even being in the same party at the time, do that. That being ignored isn't fair, because it's a lot more depressing to hear it from a stranger, than not. just making it about ego vs improvement ignores that. Especially when it is used as a brush to tar opinions on something else.

edit: about shame, if you can be shamed, you might as well admit "i am controlled by the crowd's opinions and they matter more than me." I said what i did because i dont mean any of this as a personal attack on Kaiva and I want to make sure that came through, since people focus on what they want to hear when I say something..

To play devil's advocate a moment. Provided people are at least semi-cordial, why can't they reject people? You are not entitled to a clear just as you aren't entitled to work at a proper company because you happen to like the location. If a group wants people will 560 All Star points, that is their subjective standard. Your options are to either inquire if they're willing to trial below said criteria or look for another group. Your stance essentially posits good players are obligated to take whoever wants to clear Savage otherwise they're being "elitists".

I don't think accepting or rejecting people based on their rank on a third party site is particularly healthy. I do worry about preemptive rejection based on low or no parses. I think if you reject in game, thats ok. You give them a try. But too much rejection based on skill isn't particularly healthy in a game culture; raiders assume that people will just take whatever criticism and fix themselves as if they were their bosses and the person had to show up every day.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Just sounds like a huge privacy lawsuit waiting to happen the more I think about it. At this point, it would be best for SE to just release their own parser to avoid this issue. Online privacy is a legal right for some players in certain countries.

Only to those who don't know how privacy laws work. ACT simply calculates information already publicly available by reading the battle logs. This being uploaded is no different than if I were to copy/paste logs from the chat itself. There is not privacy breach because they weren't private to begin with.

[Divinemights]

Isn't this the main reason why Yoship does not want to install in-game damage meter?

[Tridus]

If a person Kaiva knows had said to her this, it wouldn't have been an issue and they could have improved together. FFlogs makes all performance data public, and that lets random people with no tie to you, not even being in the same party at the time, do that. That being ignored isn't fair, because it's a lot more depressing to hear it from a stranger, than not. just making it about ego vs improvement ignores that.

Uhh... Kaiva asked for the numbers. You conveniently keep forgetting that despite being told already. The ones that spawned this weren't uploaded by some random and pointed out in a party. Kaiva explicitly requested her own numbers and was given them.

Maybe you should go read the first post again before you blather on any further, because you haven't got the slightest idea what this thread is actually about. Kaiva thought she was doing really well, asked for numbers, found out she wasn't doing as well as she thought, and then asked how other people handled similar situations. That's it.

Now, while you're 99th percentile at offtopic BS, maybe you could join us on topic for a bit by learning what we're actually talking about?

[Dualgunner]

@Dualgunner
This is why I'm saying that OP is starting to understand that he might be annoying to certain players, that he starts understanding why people call him elitist and all, and how wrong it was coming from him.

Are you saying he shouldn't be advocating for the improvement of the general playerbase then?

Yes, the original subject is about how OP was disillusionned about his performance, but I do still firmly believe that if he hadn't had that elitist mindset to begin with, he wouldn't even be depressing.

I'm glad you firmly believe this enough to sidetrack the thread's original intent.

I main tank, and I think I am around 30 percentile. Do I care ? No, because I had lot of fun doing it. So 70% performed better than me ? I honestly don't give a dam...

And I don't give a damn about you not giving a damn?

I do use act to track my performance, but it is just to see if I'm doing things correctly, not a tool to give myself the whip.

Again, I'm glad. I use the tool to see what others are doing, what they can get away with, and why they got away with it to see if I can emulate it and improve myself.

In fact, the greatest feeling of satisfaction I had in that game, wasn't topping DPS as a tank... but spending 90 minutes wiping on king moogle ex, with a sprout group, and managing to beat it at the last second.

Again...I'm glad?

My greatest feeling of satisfaction was finally killing Twintania and making it to SCoB before FCoB was released. I'd been practicing that fight for months.

I honestly don't understand how you can get depressed over underperforming in a video game, this just makes no sense to me. It's not as if playing ffxiv was at the same level as playing in the Olympics !

I mean...the Olympics are just games too.

It is a good thing to be harsh on oneself in order to improve, but depressing for a game - and especially for a ranking...

It's better to be an armchair moralist posting on a forum that is just as tertiary to the game as FFLogs?

To you it looks like a small fish that fell in the shark pound, to me it just looks like a pride that has been shattered to pieces.

Same thing?

So even though the original subject isn't about elitists jerks and all, elitism still is the core of this problem (and many others, like the healers dispute).

No, elitism isn't the core of this problem, and it's not a problem related to OP in the first place. You and Riyah made it about elitism when FFLogs was mentioned.


*cough*

[Tridus]

Just sounds like a huge privacy lawsuit waiting to happen the more I think about it. At this point, it would be best for SE to just release their own parser to avoid this issue. Online privacy is a legal right for some players in certain countries.

SE broadcasts all the combat data for everyone in the area to every client. That means in a full party, everyone gets it for all 8 people. 24 in Alliance. An ungodly huge number of people in Eureka and busy outdoor stuff like Ixion. That's how the game is designed. All the "parser" does is read what's being sent by the servers, and all the website does is take parses that get uploaded and display them.

So, you'll need to be suing SE, but I hope you read that rather lengthy legal document they show you when you signed up before you do, especially since you'd first have to prove that how much damage a character does when it hits an enemy is legally protected personal information.