Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[Bernkastelx]

Riyah you are just wrong and im posting this because as someone who has been playing league of legends for years when I first started in season 3 I placed silver next year in season 4 plat and season 5 diamond 2. Literally going from near the bottom to top 2% of the overall community at the time by improving my skills and knowledge of the game. Even overwatch started around plat and after about a year managed to hit grandmaster. Without a doubt there is always room for improvement in anything if you are willing to improve.

[ChaoticCrimson]

I'm not sure if contributing my own experiences will be helpful or not, but here goes. I can definitely relate to feeling like I should be better than I am. In some ways, I feel like I've been conditioned to believe I have to be perfect or I'm not pulling my weight, which is of course silly. I've been through a fair share of humbling moments in the time I've been playing, and I've had my confidence shaken to the point of being afraid to try again with some things. But I also have to remember that I've only been playing the game for barely half a year altogether, with only the ability to put in maybe a few hours a day if that. It was only a few months ago when I first tried out Lakshmi/Susano EX. Heck, I've only played SMN for around a month and a half. I have to remind myself I can't expect to be perfect, especially when I've only really just started to get into higher challenge content and learn more about my job.

I'm far from perfect, but I know I'm improving. I've been practicing rotations, asking for advice when I feel stuck, going over guides for my job, and keeping up on gear/material as best as I can. My new FC and static group have been very supportive and helpful as well. When things get rough, I try to take a breath, collect myself, see what things I'm doing wrong and find out how I can improve. Sometimes if I feel like I'm getting too worried I take a break for a day or two to recover so I can start again fresh.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it's not necessarily a bad thing to know that you aren't perfect. No one's really perfect, really. Learning and improving can be a difficult road sometimes, and it can be hard to break bad habits when you learn you have them. But when you can see improvement, and know you're making progress, it can feel very rewarding, even if it's only a small success. As long as you do your best and try to learn from your mistakes you'll do fine, I think. Idk, I hope I didn't ramble too much, and I hope that helps in some way.

[RiyahArp]

I do want to say though this has nothing about Kaiva improving...I got sidetracked because I don't like ranking and I think it causes a lot of pain through increased competitiveness, and I really don't like it when communities make rankings the sign of player worth. I know some people say they use it for good purposes, but I often see otherwise. The whole rank and status game is really nasty at times, and that's why I so fiercely react against it whenever it comes up here. I don't think it's good to feel depressed when you try your best, and I hope Kaiva goes beyond that to find fun in the improvement she does do.

[Shihen]

Has anybody here dealt with something related to this? Like, you think you're good at your job, and then something - whether it be friends, FC mates, your own logs, etc. - shows you that you're not even close to the average baseline?

I'm curious. Mind sharing with me?

1. World of Warcraft - 2010.
   MP management? Listen buddy, I'll have you know in Scarlet Monastery somebody told me I was the best priest they've ever seen, so I don't need you to tell me how to heal.
   You have been removed from the guild.
2. Stepmania Online - 2013.
   Well, this is my first time playing online but since I'm already good at WoW, a much harder game, this should be easy. I'm really good at this song too so I should beat a couple of these guys.
   Finishes in last place. By a lot.
3. Street Fighter V - 2016.
   I can play really well against the computer so I should at least be able to beat some people new to the game online like me.
   You lose.
4. AST Anything - 2017.
   Street Fighter sucks. Cards are where it's at.
   "Reset guys, replacing this AST."
5. SCH. Neo Exdeath - 2017.
   Well, that was difficult but I think I did as much dps as I could. I don't really see where else it would be safe to cast, but that was the first clear so I guess I hit around 60%.
   11% Parse.
   "Maybe I'm just retarded."
6. SCH. God Kefka - 2018.
   Well, that was difficult but I think I did as much dps as I could. I don't really see where else it would be safe to cast, but that was the first clear so I guess I hit around 40%.
   19% Parse.
   "FFLogs, more like FULogs..."

But yeah, I think it's normal for your confidence to take a hit when your perspective shifts from a personal one to a global one. Think it's important to keep a couple things in mind:

• Having the will to improve already puts 30%+ at your fingertips with a bit of effort.
• If you're at 9% it's much more likely there's something you're not doing at all, rather than doing something poorly. It's just a lack of knowledge that can be easily fixed by watching a rotation video and copying it a few times, and making sure you're doing it as much as possible during a fight.
• That 9% is just that parse's ranking, not your ranking as a player. If one guy parsed 5k dps 98 times, you parsed 4.9k 1 time, and someone else parsed 1.5k 1 time, you'll be 2% while the guy below you is 1%. It's not an accurate representation of where you stand in general, just where that parse stands compared to all parses for your job.

Keep at it, it just takes some practice.

[RiyahArp]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

[Dualgunner]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress.

Yes, actually, it helps a lot knowing what other players do down to the very GCD ( https://www.fflogs.com/reports/compare/Yjz9Dfw7ra13kH8R/93Rb1HZTYckdKQgF#fight=34,3&source=5,Evechan Nau&type=damage-done ) to help one fine tune what they use, where they use it, how they use it, and what they can get away with in relation to the fight itself.

It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

And I hate people who blackwash it and claim it's a tool that can only be used for ill intent when it has several good uses. Every single thing you say Riyah, every single last sweeping generalization, can be reversed back onto you because as much as you can claim I ignore the bad uses of it, I can claim you ignore the good uses of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

To play devil's advocate a moment. Provided people are at least semi-cordial, why can't they reject people? You are not entitled to a clear just as you aren't entitled to work at a proper company because you happen to like the location. If a group wants people will 560 All Star points, that is their subjective standard. Your options are to either inquire if they're willing to trial below said criteria or look for another group. Your stance essentially posits good players are obligated to take whoever wants to clear Savage otherwise they're being "elitists".

Out of curiosity though, I looked up my name on that log site, and found parses of my dps via a few runs I've done in rabanastre. I do not even attempt to try to play on a professional level in 24 man raids, lol. Why is my name even there? Yeah, I didn't agree to that, or want that, or care during those raids to "prove" anything to anyone else. The fact that someone actually parsed me, then uploaded a freaking rabanastre is absolutely hilarious to me. That person obviously cares more about what I'm doing than I do, lol!

Because someone else parsed and uploaded the results. If you want to hide your logs, you'll need to make an account and select to have them hidden. That being said, I wouldn't worry over it. No one really cares about 24 mans or normal mode. At least not when it comes to FFlogs.

[polyhedral]

To play devil's advocate a moment. Provided people are at least semi-cordial, why can't they reject people? You are not entitled to a clear just as you aren't entitled to work at a proper company because you happen to like the location. If a group wants people will 560 All Star points, that is their subjective standard. Your options are to either inquire if they're willing to trial below said criteria or look for another group. Your stance essentially posits good players are obligated to take whoever wants to clear Savage otherwise they're being "elitists".



Because someone else parsed and uploaded the results. If you want to hide your logs, you'll need to make an account and select to have them hidden. That being said, I wouldn't worry over it. No one really cares about 24 mans or normal mode. At least not when it comes to FFlogs.

I shouldn't have to create an account to hide information about me, period.

[Dualgunner]

I shouldn't have to create an account to hide information about me, period.

There's a lot more important information out there about you that's out of your control than a parse uploaded on a website.

[SaitoHikari]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

I've been silently watching this thread, and while a lot of people in this thread have made good points already and I don't feel like retreading on it myself...

I want to say, for someone who has already self-admitted to being sidetracked (and is clearly responsible for sidetracking the entire thread into being purely a parser debate rather than one involving ego VS personal improvement), you seem quite adamant about continuing this distraction yourself. Self-awareness is useless without realizing that shame goes along with it. It is what it is.