Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[RiyahArp]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

[Valarian]

Unless we are all exactly the same, someone will always be below average. This is an inescapable reality. The question, I believe, becomes 'how do we treat these people who are below average?'

Certainly, parsers are a tool. They give us information, and it is what we do with that information that makes the difference. For ourselves, it would seem, we place a great deal of importance on our own performance, and seek achievement over our peers. A desire to elevate the self, if you will. There is nothing wrong with doing something for yourself.

There is still the other side, though. The other person. It is not noble to elevate one's self. Nobility, as a moral standard, comes from elevating and enabling other people. Especially those not in a position to elevate themselves. The novice network was invented for that purpose, and the crown icon represents the highest of nobility, and therefore implied responsibility.

We are a community, and like any healthy community, we have an obligation to take care of each other for our mutual health and benefit. A better community member is better for everyone who exists within that community. There is a delicate balance to be maintained in improving one's self without it coming at the expense of someone else, just as there is a balance to be maintained when improving others without it coming at the expense of one's self.

Bear both of these points in mind and our tools can be put to healthy use. Forget either, and use of those same tools can cost someone, either ourself, or someone else. If you want to be good, improve yourself. If you want to be a good person, improve someone else. Ideally, you would do both.

[Dualgunner]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress.

Yes, actually, it helps a lot knowing what other players do down to the very GCD ( https://www.fflogs.com/reports/compare/Yjz9Dfw7ra13kH8R/93Rb1HZTYckdKQgF#fight=34,3&source=5,Evechan Nau&type=damage-done ) to help one fine tune what they use, where they use it, how they use it, and what they can get away with in relation to the fight itself.

It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

And I hate people who blackwash it and claim it's a tool that can only be used for ill intent when it has several good uses. Every single thing you say Riyah, every single last sweeping generalization, can be reversed back onto you because as much as you can claim I ignore the bad uses of it, I can claim you ignore the good uses of it.

[polyhedral]

I hate competition, although I always like to improve if possible.

Out of curiosity though, I looked up my name on that log site, and found parses of my dps via a few runs I've done in rabanastre. I do not even attempt to try to play on a professional level in 24 man raids, lol. Why is my name even there? Yeah, I didn't agree to that, or want that, or care during those raids to "prove" anything to anyone else. The fact that someone actually parsed me, then uploaded a freaking rabanastre is absolutely hilarious to me. That person obviously cares more about what I'm doing than I do, lol!

Thank god I don't even raid in normal mode. Lord knows what kind of crap folks could use against me via that site if I did.

And now you know why some folks don't raid. I play this game for fun, not for the stress, the hassle, the worries, or the fame, lmao. Some (far too many) are just waiting to gun folks down with judgement using this crap. Y'all can have all that nonsense. I'm too old for your competition stress.

It's a freakin video game, not a job.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

To play devil's advocate a moment. Provided people are at least semi-cordial, why can't they reject people? You are not entitled to a clear just as you aren't entitled to work at a proper company because you happen to like the location. If a group wants people will 560 All Star points, that is their subjective standard. Your options are to either inquire if they're willing to trial below said criteria or look for another group. Your stance essentially posits good players are obligated to take whoever wants to clear Savage otherwise they're being "elitists".

Out of curiosity though, I looked up my name on that log site, and found parses of my dps via a few runs I've done in rabanastre. I do not even attempt to try to play on a professional level in 24 man raids, lol. Why is my name even there? Yeah, I didn't agree to that, or want that, or care during those raids to "prove" anything to anyone else. The fact that someone actually parsed me, then uploaded a freaking rabanastre is absolutely hilarious to me. That person obviously cares more about what I'm doing than I do, lol!

Because someone else parsed and uploaded the results. If you want to hide your logs, you'll need to make an account and select to have them hidden. That being said, I wouldn't worry over it. No one really cares about 24 mans or normal mode. At least not when it comes to FFlogs.

[polyhedral]

To play devil's advocate a moment. Provided people are at least semi-cordial, why can't they reject people? You are not entitled to a clear just as you aren't entitled to work at a proper company because you happen to like the location. If a group wants people will 560 All Star points, that is their subjective standard. Your options are to either inquire if they're willing to trial below said criteria or look for another group. Your stance essentially posits good players are obligated to take whoever wants to clear Savage otherwise they're being "elitists".



Because someone else parsed and uploaded the results. If you want to hide your logs, you'll need to make an account and select to have them hidden. That being said, I wouldn't worry over it. No one really cares about 24 mans or normal mode. At least not when it comes to FFlogs.

I shouldn't have to create an account to hide information about me, period.

[Aomine1992]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

Well sometimes I look at those higher percentiles to see what They are doing for certain fights Incase I need to change up something due to how the fight is, so your statement is a bit subjective people use it for both ranking, improving and other things....I personally like it because sometimes you arnt doing as well as you think and if you are on PS4 you won't be able to see that unless someone tells you or the logs tell you...the name of the game is improving which is what seperates some from others

[SaitoHikari]

Fine tuning my butt, you don't need to have a searchable database of how everyone performs in every instance of the game to fine tune your own progress. It's used to rank people, and often whether or not to accept or reject low performers. That's the moronic aspect of it, and I hate people who whitewash that. Participating in that is perpetuating it.

I've been silently watching this thread, and while a lot of people in this thread have made good points already and I don't feel like retreading on it myself...

I want to say, for someone who has already self-admitted to being sidetracked (and is clearly responsible for sidetracking the entire thread into being purely a parser debate rather than one involving ego VS personal improvement), you seem quite adamant about continuing this distraction yourself. Self-awareness is useless without realizing that shame goes along with it. It is what it is.

[Dualgunner]

I shouldn't have to create an account to hide information about me, period.

There's a lot more important information out there about you that's out of your control than a parse uploaded on a website.

[polyhedral]

Just sounds like a huge privacy lawsuit waiting to happen the more I think about it. At this point, it would be best for SE to just release their own parser to avoid this issue. Online privacy is a legal right for some players in certain countries.