What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Alleo]

Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
I didn't realize, my bad.

People have posted that they liked it in this thread just fine, without people going for their opinion. I honestly dont care if you like it or not. But I have the right to voice my opinion about this too yet how often were we told that we should try it more and more which kinda hints that some posters cant understand that you simply find this content boring. Some people on the side of those that likes it have gone out of their way to personal insult us and you yourself are arguing about semantics a lot. So yes both sides can be bad.

Some posts:

You assumed that what people complained about are "core issues" which need to be solved. This has yet to be determined, both in terms of accuracy and scale. You also assumed that the complains were coming from "the vast majority". You said that there was a "severe lack of communication" even when SE said and proved that they were listening to feedback.
The community has a pretty big history of screwing things up because a vocal minority blowed things out of proportions. For one person complaining about Eureka, there are dozens who actually play it and are fine with it. What you are basically asking is that SE completly ignore these players and focus blindly on the ones who agree with your views.

Give them some time to analyze everything and get back to us is my point. If you want them to rush it, it'll be crap.
But I guess asking people to be reasonable is too much.

You call us a vocal minority that blows things out off proportions and take our opinions down because for you most ingame enjoy it and we are just the part that screws it up. And you end the sentence that its too much to ask for people to be reasonable.

Here's the full quote, since you seem too lazy to check the converstion yourself:[...]

Please read this thread instead of just commenting on the tip of the iceberg without having the full context.


You are right, I don't know these either. Which is exactly why I didn't make any argument using based on that. And that was my main point: I don't make baseless assumption to criticize something. I do with the information I know I have, and I don't extrapolate simply because hating every aspect of Eureka is the new trend.

You said to someone that they are lazy because they read your post differently. Also you go and say that you dont make baseless assumption and call hating every aspect of Eureka a trend. This is attacking our opinions and you are stating that if someone just simply hates it they are following a trend and not because its their own opinion that they got on facts.

Confrontation and peer validation is what they seek. Your beliefs and opinions are of no importance to them. They will not recognize that you may like of believe in something they don't.

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The only way to win with these people is simply by not trying to argue with them. I learned it the hard way.

People who cannot agree to disagree shouldn't be given attention.

Again you go around with the "they". Not some or anything. Also you are also not just simply agreeing to disagree.

Normaly I dont do this but you had more than a few passive aggressive posts. None of these posts needed those attacks. You could have simply showed the person your sentence again instead of calling them lazy. You go around and argue semantics. Why not agree to disagree?

[Ghastly]

The problem is that the relic already is delayed by six months since it was tied to Eureka. So we probably wont see as many steps as the older relic weapons got. Because of that we should have gotten a bit more steps and are already lacking in the different kind of grinds for it.



Funny how your opinion kinda changes with a day. So when you disliked it, it was fine that people disliked it and now that you suddenly like it again and find it fun people should give it a chance (because seemingly people cant decide that they like or dislike something after a few runs or hours) Not to sound mean but not everyone changes their opinion that often and yes I am 11 nearly 12 (and I wont go back since I have my mount) and it never changed. It was exactly as boring as before that because you dont do anything different at all. Its just kill the same stuff over and over again.

False accusations; I never said everyone else should dislike it when I disliked it, try again.

[Alleo]

False accusations; I never said everyone else should dislike it when I disliked it, try again.

And where did I say that in my sentence? All I am saying is that it was boring when you disliked it but as soon as you like it again people should give it more tries. So no I never said that you mean that everyone now should dislike it when you did (like really where was that in my post?) but you also kinda implied that maybe people have not given it enough tries which can be seen that someone who was only there shortly might be simply wrong about disliking it. Which does not have to be because you dont need to be a certain level to like or dislike something.

My point was more that it was totaly fine that people did not give it more chances when you disliked it (or otherwise you would have posted that) but as soon as you like it again people should give it more chances. So its more about how people should give it more trys when you like it and not about having to dislike it when you do. I am really surprised how you got that out of my post?

[Booden]

Got to level 11 today, Eureka is still as boring as it was at level 1. The only reason I'm even leveling up is because I'm sure we'll end up getting relevant/MAYBE fun content in future patches except it'll be unaccessible unless you're elvl 20 or beyond. The level disparity growing bigger and bigger each day will kill eureka in a matter of months, to the point where anyone too low level will never be able to catch up. This game mode is such a chore. There's nothing new or interesting happening that you've never done in ffxiv before. Fates, killing mobs in the overworld, doing your rotation on mobs.

Even the magia board which was supposed to be a "OOOOOH MECHANICS ON THE FLY!" is just a "switch your element to the zone's corresponding element and forget about it for 30 minutes". EXP loss is just an artificial way of making this joke of a "new content" longer, and is in no way an interesting mechanic. It's also an irrelevant mechanic now that fate trains dominate the instances and that, well, you'll get raised by the billion people playing redmages/healers.

The only positive thing about Eureka is that people in shout chat can be funny. So basically, the community, not Eureka. So there's technically nothing positive about Eureka.

Was this game mode even tested before release? Not sure how forcing players to do a 2001 mmorpg grind is fun in any way in 2018...

Also: Dropping Eureka the week EVERYONE (literally everyone that had done O8N every week once) could get access to an i360 weapon? Really Square?

[Fyce]

The problem is that the analogy is poorly made. The "glass is half empty" analogy would've worked better for your argument as it is truly about perception.

Any analogy can be debunked if you try hard enough. And that's exactly why it's ridiculous to do it. As long as it gets the point across, it has served its purpose.

For example, I could argue that the analogy of the half empty glass doesn't work either because the glass is never "empty", air molecules fill the upper part, so the glass is never technically empty... And I would bet you that if I used that analogy, someone would've came to me saying exactly that.

So, again, analogies aren't meant to be over-analyzed to be debunked. They just try to convey a simple idea. That's their sole and only purpose. As long as this idea is relevant to the point, it's good enough.

[Vidu]

So, again, analogies aren't meant to be over-analyzed to be debunked. They just try to convey a simple idea. That's their sole and only purpose. As long as this idea is relevant to the point, it's good enough.

...honestly all of that that you're critising here, sounds a bit like what you did with the expression "new content" and tryint to establish wether or not people were using that phrase correctly when they had different interpretations while completly ignoring the actual points of those, who dont like Eureka and why they dont like it, were making...

I dont mean to attack you but if you're advocating for not over-analysing analogies, maybe we can agree on not over-analysing single words and expressions aswell and rather focus on the actual points being made?

[Fyce]

People have posted that they liked it in this thread just fine, without people going for their opinion. I honestly dont care if you like it or not. But I have the right to voice my opinion about this too yet how often were we told that we should try it more and more which kinda hints that some posters cant understand that you simply find this content boring. Some people on the side of those that likes it have gone out of their way to personal insult us and you yourself are arguing about semantics a lot. So yes both sides can be bad.

Yes, I absolutly regret getting into an argument with people who didn't wanted a constructive discussion to begin with, and only wanted to show their disrespect. I got baited, and hooked, leading to me showing quite a negative part of myself out of anger for such disrespect. I should've ignored these disrespectful people from the beginning, and simply shared my views.
That's completly on me.

You call us a vocal minority that blows things out off proportions and take our opinions down because for you most ingame enjoy it and we are just the part that screws it up. And you end the sentence that its too much to ask for people to be reasonable.

The forum is vocal, and is a tiny part of the actual player base. Hence "vocal minority". And saying that vocal minorities already affected the game in a bad way in the past is a simple fact. My statement cannot be more objective than that. Don't read too much into it. I just raised the possibility that this was another instance of people blowing things out of proportions, which is why SE needed to be careful when reviewing the feedback, leading to my main point: give them some time.
I also wanted to put some weight on the other side of the balance from people saying "look at how much people are complaining, we must surely be right!".

You said to someone that they are lazy because they read your post differently. Also you go and say that you dont make baseless assumption and call hating every aspect of Eureka a trend. This is attacking our opinions and you are stating that if someone just simply hates it they are following a trend and not because its their own opinion that they got on facts.

I called them lazy for not checking the context of this quote, leasing to misinformation. I also don't assume things randomly like people have done. This is not a correct way of gathering proofs. When people come at me, challenging my opinions and views without any valid argumentation (they were not stating their own opinion, they were trying to prove that mine is wrong. That's a huge difference), I know that I'm not in for a constructive conversation.

Again you go around with the "they". Not some or anything. Also you are also not just simply agreeing to disagree.

Normaly I dont do this but you had more than a few passive aggressive posts. None of these posts needed those attacks. You could have simply showed the person your sentence again instead of calling them lazy. You go around and argue semantics. Why not agree to disagree?

"They" was refering to two people in particular. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
But I won't let you say that I do not agree to disagree. Other people started to challenge my views, not me. I simply returned the favor (and now regret doing so, as I've said). And later in this thread, I very clearly stated that I was completly fine with people not liking Eureka. Don't cherry pick my posts, I've said that multiple times. I could go and quote myself to prove it, but I really don't want to dive in this thread... again.

And for the passive-aggressive thing, if people didn't direspected my opinions and called me a "white knight" and a "blind fanboy" to dismiss what I was saying, I wouldn't have acted the way I did.
If people don't show me respect, I will not respect them. That's as simple as that.

...honestly all of that that you're critising here, sounds a bit like what you did with the expression "new content" and tryint to establish wether or not people were using that phrase correctly when they had different interpretations while completly ignoring the actual points of those, who dont like Eureka and why they dont like it, were making...

I dont mean to attack you but if you're advocating for not over-analysing analogies, maybe we can agree on not over-analysing single words and expressions aswell and rather focus on the actual points being made?

Yes, I tried, and utterly failed. Now that I know that these arguments are completly pointless, I just wanted to warn people who where about to start one.
I legit wasn't trolling or starting a new flame war. I simply saw enough pointless arguments that I didn't want people to do the same mistake as me.

As for the main points, I already talked about them in a lenghty manner, which is why I don't want to do it again.

[ToriiMiyuki]

My first impression is that Eureka is trash.

I logged into it once, and never went back. What's the point?

I don't care about glam.

I don't care about the relic, especially when tied to this abhorrent grind.

Model recycling and copy-pasted assets are everywhere. Way to put me to sleep.

Don't get me started on the elevator music.

Eureka is empty content. Carrot on a stick taken to the extreme. People are conflating the ends with the means, leading them to run around confused about why they are unsatisfied.

[Ruf]

Yes, I absolutly regret getting into an argument with people who didn't wanted a constructive discussion to begin with, and only wanted to show their disrespect. I got baited, and hooked, leading to me showing quite a negative part of myself out of anger for such disrespect. I should've ignored these disrespectful people from the beginning, and simply shared my views.
That's completly on me.

The forum is vocal, and is a tiny part of the actual player base. Hence "vocal minority".

You are claiming this again when obviously most of us think that its false.

My first impression is that Eureka is trash.

In bold for you & is that not enough still?

Eureka is empty content. Carrot on a stick taken to the extreme. People are conflating the ends with the means, leading them to run around confused about why they are unsatisfied.

Here have some color

[MilanFrozen]

Any analogy can be debunked if you try hard enough.

I hereby call into question the validity of you arguing in favor of Eureka over being here for the sake of arguing.