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  1. #1271
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    I have no clue why such a toxic thread is still open. That's the second proof in a single page that this thread is just a hater nest.
    It's a feedback thread. People are giving feedback. If you want the "only people who like Eureka" echo chamber thread, it's over here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

    That most of the feedback is super negative suggests a problem with the content, rather than "OMG toxic people being mean!"
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  2. #1272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    It's a feedback thread. People are giving feedback. If you want the "only people who like Eureka" echo chamber thread, it's over here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

    That most of the feedback is super negative suggests a problem with the content, rather than "OMG toxic people being mean!"
    Disrespecting people isn't feedback. You can give your opinion on something without insulting others who don't think the same way as you do.
    The last page has been mostly nothing but complete lack of respect towards people who actually like Eureka.
    I'm not saying giving negative feedback is toxic. Being a d*ck to others is.
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    Last edited by Fyce; 03-19-2018 at 06:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Disrespecting people isn't feedback. You can give your opinion on something without insulting others who don't think the same way as you do.
    The last page has been mostly nothing but complete lack of respect towards people who actually like Eureka.
    I'm not saying giving negative feedback is toxic. Being a d*ck to others is.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread
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    Last edited by Ruf; 03-19-2018 at 06:19 AM.

  4. #1274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    It is far too early to compare SB's take on relic compared to HW and ARR. With Eureka we have access to only the first part of many.
    The problem is that the relic already is delayed by six months since it was tied to Eureka. So we probably wont see as many steps as the older relic weapons got. Because of that we should have gotten a bit more steps and are already lacking in the different kind of grinds for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post

    So yes I've changed my mind, Eureka is fun and people should give it more of a chance, it specially picks up around level 6+
    It's not perfect though, Eureka part 2 needs to have a lot more variety
    Funny how your opinion kinda changes with a day. So when you disliked it, it was fine that people disliked it and now that you suddenly like it again and find it fun people should give it a chance (because seemingly people cant decide that they like or dislike something after a few runs or hours) Not to sound mean but not everyone changes their opinion that often and yes I am 11 nearly 12 (and I wont go back since I have my mount) and it never changed. It was exactly as boring as before that because you dont do anything different at all. Its just kill the same stuff over and over again.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 03-19-2018 at 06:27 AM.
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  5. #1275
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    Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
    I didn't realize, my bad.
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  6. #1276
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    While I'm willing to hold my breath there and hope that the next parts of the relic-grind and Eureka are going to be more intresting and something besides "Kill mobs, get crystals", I'm honestly not sure how hopeful we can be here. They had 17 months to put content into Eureka, thats more than just FATEs and somehow they failed to do so. If there is supposed to be new content for Eureka with 4.3 that would give them a couple months at best to come up with it, develop it and program it into the game...
    If the next part is more interesting, how are people who aren't slogging through Eureka by taking the forums advice ("if you don't like it, don't do the optional content") going to get to the interesting part? They'll have to then slog through the boring grind, only there won't be the other people in there now to drive it along because they'll be done. The level power scaling in Eureka is so absurd that playing with people 10 levels away from you doesn't work at all, and there isn't exactly an abundance of low levels floating around now.

    The old relics made people go back and do old content to avert that. Eureka... doesn't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
    I didn't realize, my bad.
    I forgive you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
    I didn't realize, my bad.
    I skimmed the past few pages and there's plenty of people voicing exactly why and how Eureka is not doing it for them, and others who are pointing out good aspects despite this and vice versa. These are like at least half the posts.
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  9. #1279
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Edit: And you are upvoted for this post too. Do you guys really don't understand what is an analogy? Or has this thread just derailed to the point of just being a choir preaching itself, even if it defies common sense, just because it's fun to make me "the antagonist
    The problem is that the analogy is poorly made. The "glass is half empty" analogy would've worked better for your argument as it is truly about perception.
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  10. #1280
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    If the next part is more interesting, how are people who aren't slogging through Eureka by taking the forums advice ("if you don't like it, don't do the optional content") going to get to the interesting part? They'll have to then slog through the boring grind, only there won't be the other people in there now to drive it along because they'll be done.

    The old relics made people go back and do old content to avert that. Eureka... doesn't do that.
    Agreed - I was trying to kinda touch on that with the next part of that quote aswell as in another thread on this matter.

    This feels like a great place to repeat myself on another point though: Its okay to lock item-rewards behind a grind. Its not okay to lock fun and intresting content behind a grind. I shouldnt have to grind for fun.
    So anyone who tells me "Oh, you just need to play til you reach level 20 and suddenly its fun!" might be right, I dont know, I'm not level 20, but I'd say they're "wrong" to say that Eureka is good or fun content on that grounds. I shouldnt have to grind my way to the fun parts of content (actually one of the main complains about the late 2.XX storyquests - a lot of them are filler-quests but are required to unlock the new, intresting HW-content... but I disgress).

    I'm happy for each and everyone who can enjoy Eureka despite it not being the fresh, innovative content we were promised.
    Personally, I dont know how those people are doing it, I cant take much of it.

    Maybe the next relic-step is gonna be more intresting. Maybe they gonna listen to the "we dont want Diadem 3.0"-feedback (that seems to be overwhelming).
    Either way I'd say its bad gamedesign to lock fun content behind a boring, dull grind. Which they did. Deespite telling us that wouldnt happen.
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