4.25 and beyond

[Hakuro89]

Look at all the negativity up off in here... With attitudes like these is it any wonder some of you are skeptical of FF14 and/or Eureka?

Step back and look at SE's track record with new content. Look at Diadem and how much they hyped it up, only for it to turn into quite possibly the biggest flop of Heavensward. Honestly I'm expecting very little from Eureka, it just smells to me like Diadem 2.0.

The game is extremely stale. The only changes worth looking at come at expansion transitions, then they just fall right back into that same hallway of content they repaint every few months.

[Vexander]

Just came back from a few months break myself.

Not being burned out, and actually enjoying the game quite a bit (playing every day for 8+ hours), I have to say I can't say I'm looking forward to Eureka either. It reeks of Diadem, and with all the comparisons to FFXI Valk Dunes and the EXP penalty on death that's been mentioned, I'm just completely divorced from the idea of doing more than dipping my toes into it. The worst thing about FFXI was the EXP Penalty on Death. I'd like to go in and work on some relic weapons and the likes, but depending on how bad it is as an experience I don't think I'll want to do much with it. Yes, I know the EXP on Death thing is not linked to jobs and the likes, but reverse progression is just not something I like even as a risk factor.

I'm hoping it's fantastic.

I'm not expecting it.

[Deceptus]

This is the EXACT reason the REALLY need to put out this relic content at the BEGINNING of the expansion. So when lulls happen, there is stuff to do.

They didn't learn that with HW or SB.

[Vexander]

This is the EXACT reason the REALLY need to put out this relic content at the BEGINNING of the expansion. So when lulls happen, there is stuff to do.

They didn't learn that with HW or SB.

Didn't Relic Stuff start in 3.1 for Heavensward though? It's been late in SB because they want it to be linked to Eureka. That was my impression at least.

[Joe777]

I wouldn't call it negativity per say, I would say people are just coming to terms with what the game is actually offering. People, myself included, don't have much faith in our devs producing content with longevity and long term goals. Short of the devs implementing content like this, as others have stated, I can re-sub 2 months before the next expansion and experience all the content without paying for a sub for two years. Lets be honest about the game currently.... we grind out tomestones or weekly raid drops for ilv which doesn't even really matter.

I don't see there being lots to do either... daily roulettes for tomestones which are very easy and fast to cap each week, weekly 8man raids for drops, outdated 24man raids for no reason. Primals.... did them all, old mounts.... have them, beast tribes.... already complete. At this point would would have to claim auxiliary content is enough of a reason to log in... GS, crafting, ect...

Its great that you are enjoying the game. There are many however that are not.... most of the people I know in game barely log in anymore due to the content implemented in 4.x so far. Ultimate carters to a very small segment of the game population, and PvP/Rival Wings never really took off.

What the game offers and what we do with it are 2 entirely different things. How we choose to enjoy what we have is the difference between how people play the game. An MMO on the other hand is all about playing the game with other people, and for that you don't even need to rely on content. You could just hang out and goof off if you wanted! But content can differ depending on the people you play it with, and if you're only playing an MMO to complete it then why are you even playing an MMO? That's what single player games are for.

As for PvP, SE ruined it with the XP rewards. It attracted bots and that ruined the experience for the true PvP community.

Step back and look at SE's track record with new content. Look at Diadem and how much they hyped it up, only for it to turn into quite possibly the biggest flop of Heavensward. Honestly I'm expecting very little from Eureka, it just smells to me like Diadem 2.0.

The game is extremely stale. The only changes worth looking at come at expansion transitions, then they just fall right back into that same hallway of content they repaint every few months.

Treating expansions that way is honestly akin to just playing a new game. If an MMO has gotten that stale to you then perhaps it is time to move on. Plenty of single player games out there to play and complete or other MMOs to try, although I don't recommend MMOs with a mindset like that. Also if you have come to expect disappointment from a company then why play their games?


Bottom line, I just don't see why people hang around and complain when they're burnt out or they believe content in an MMORPG has gotten stale. It feels like you play the game with a single player mindset and while you obviously have a reason you cling to the game it seems like that reason is doing naught but torment you. I don't blame anyone for distrusting a company, plenty I distrust, but playing their games while distrusting them... You just set yourself up for disappointment.

[MomomiMomi]

You could just hang out and goof off if you wanted!

Hey, if you want to pay for a glorified chat room, go for it. Not me, though.

[Joe777]

Hey, if you want to pay for a glorified chat room, go for it. Not me, though.

I was implying it was an option. The point though is this is an MMORPG, and the social aspect is half the game. It seems people forget this and focus only on the content, not how they can enjoy it with other people. If they try it with different people and STILL aren't having fun then it may be time to try a new game, not hang around and wait months for new content they will just treat the same way, that's just folly.

[MomomiMomi]

I was implying it was an option. The point though is this is an MMORPG, and the social aspect is half the game. It seems people forget this and focus only on the content, not how they can enjoy it with other people.

Given a choice of good content to play with other people and boring content to play with other people, I would prefer to ask for the good one. I don't see why you think it's a bad thing for people to voice their concerns about the state of the game. It's a good thing for the devs to hear what their players are thinking, and it's the obligation of a consumer to demand a better product if it isn't meeting their needs; and failing that, to take there money elsewhere. This thread is step 1. SE failing to listen leads to step 2.

[Joe777]

Given a choice of good content to play with other people and boring content to play with other people, I would prefer to ask for the good one. I don't see why you think it's a bad thing for people to voice their concerns about the state of the game. It's a good thing for the devs to hear what their players are thinking, and it's the obligation of a consumer to demand a better product if it isn't meeting their needs; and failing that, to take there money elsewhere. This thread is step 1. SE failing to listen leads to step 2.

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale. Furthermore, SE does try different things, and yet people still say its boring and/or stale. So what exactly do those saying all of this want SE to do? That's what I don't see every time people complain like this. I burn out too, I've taken a break from the game twice now, but I don't find the game itself boring and/or stale, I just don't feel like playing it and/or wanna play something else, but I don't blame the game for that.

[Molic]

Really just wish they could make better midcore content and actual raids. All we have now is like a series of boss fights for savage, alliance raids are just big dungeons, and dungeons, they may as well just put us in a hallway. It all looks cool, but meh its just a chore. Nothing new, nothing fun, no puzzles, a literal treadmill.

SE should bring back that questionnaire thing they used a the end of 1.0, doubt they even listen to the playerbase anymore.