4.25 and beyond

[Hakuro89]

Look at all the negativity up off in here... With attitudes like these is it any wonder some of you are skeptical of FF14 and/or Eureka?

Step back and look at SE's track record with new content. Look at Diadem and how much they hyped it up, only for it to turn into quite possibly the biggest flop of Heavensward. Honestly I'm expecting very little from Eureka, it just smells to me like Diadem 2.0.

The game is extremely stale. The only changes worth looking at come at expansion transitions, then they just fall right back into that same hallway of content they repaint every few months.

[Joe777]

I wouldn't call it negativity per say, I would say people are just coming to terms with what the game is actually offering. People, myself included, don't have much faith in our devs producing content with longevity and long term goals. Short of the devs implementing content like this, as others have stated, I can re-sub 2 months before the next expansion and experience all the content without paying for a sub for two years. Lets be honest about the game currently.... we grind out tomestones or weekly raid drops for ilv which doesn't even really matter.

I don't see there being lots to do either... daily roulettes for tomestones which are very easy and fast to cap each week, weekly 8man raids for drops, outdated 24man raids for no reason. Primals.... did them all, old mounts.... have them, beast tribes.... already complete. At this point would would have to claim auxiliary content is enough of a reason to log in... GS, crafting, ect...

Its great that you are enjoying the game. There are many however that are not.... most of the people I know in game barely log in anymore due to the content implemented in 4.x so far. Ultimate carters to a very small segment of the game population, and PvP/Rival Wings never really took off.

What the game offers and what we do with it are 2 entirely different things. How we choose to enjoy what we have is the difference between how people play the game. An MMO on the other hand is all about playing the game with other people, and for that you don't even need to rely on content. You could just hang out and goof off if you wanted! But content can differ depending on the people you play it with, and if you're only playing an MMO to complete it then why are you even playing an MMO? That's what single player games are for.

As for PvP, SE ruined it with the XP rewards. It attracted bots and that ruined the experience for the true PvP community.

Step back and look at SE's track record with new content. Look at Diadem and how much they hyped it up, only for it to turn into quite possibly the biggest flop of Heavensward. Honestly I'm expecting very little from Eureka, it just smells to me like Diadem 2.0.

The game is extremely stale. The only changes worth looking at come at expansion transitions, then they just fall right back into that same hallway of content they repaint every few months.

Treating expansions that way is honestly akin to just playing a new game. If an MMO has gotten that stale to you then perhaps it is time to move on. Plenty of single player games out there to play and complete or other MMOs to try, although I don't recommend MMOs with a mindset like that. Also if you have come to expect disappointment from a company then why play their games?


Bottom line, I just don't see why people hang around and complain when they're burnt out or they believe content in an MMORPG has gotten stale. It feels like you play the game with a single player mindset and while you obviously have a reason you cling to the game it seems like that reason is doing naught but torment you. I don't blame anyone for distrusting a company, plenty I distrust, but playing their games while distrusting them... You just set yourself up for disappointment.

[MomomiMomi]

You could just hang out and goof off if you wanted!

Hey, if you want to pay for a glorified chat room, go for it. Not me, though.

[Joe777]

Hey, if you want to pay for a glorified chat room, go for it. Not me, though.

I was implying it was an option. The point though is this is an MMORPG, and the social aspect is half the game. It seems people forget this and focus only on the content, not how they can enjoy it with other people. If they try it with different people and STILL aren't having fun then it may be time to try a new game, not hang around and wait months for new content they will just treat the same way, that's just folly.

[MomomiMomi]

I was implying it was an option. The point though is this is an MMORPG, and the social aspect is half the game. It seems people forget this and focus only on the content, not how they can enjoy it with other people.

Given a choice of good content to play with other people and boring content to play with other people, I would prefer to ask for the good one. I don't see why you think it's a bad thing for people to voice their concerns about the state of the game. It's a good thing for the devs to hear what their players are thinking, and it's the obligation of a consumer to demand a better product if it isn't meeting their needs; and failing that, to take there money elsewhere. This thread is step 1. SE failing to listen leads to step 2.

[Joe777]

Given a choice of good content to play with other people and boring content to play with other people, I would prefer to ask for the good one. I don't see why you think it's a bad thing for people to voice their concerns about the state of the game. It's a good thing for the devs to hear what their players are thinking, and it's the obligation of a consumer to demand a better product if it isn't meeting their needs; and failing that, to take there money elsewhere. This thread is step 1. SE failing to listen leads to step 2.

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale. Furthermore, SE does try different things, and yet people still say its boring and/or stale. So what exactly do those saying all of this want SE to do? That's what I don't see every time people complain like this. I burn out too, I've taken a break from the game twice now, but I don't find the game itself boring and/or stale, I just don't feel like playing it and/or wanna play something else, but I don't blame the game for that.

[MomomiMomi]

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale. Furthermore, SE does try different things, and yet people still say its boring and/or stale.

Yes, I admit they've tried. We had diadem. We all know how that went. Trying is good; failing is not. Diadem was a near total flop, and then they adjusted it and turned it into a total flop. It shouldn't be a surprise that people are worried about Eureka, which sounds like it could be at least kind of similar to Diadem.

[Vhailor]

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale. Furthermore, SE does try different things, and yet people still say its boring and/or stale. So what exactly do those saying all of this want SE to do? That's what I don't see every time people complain like this. I burn out too, I've taken a break from the game twice now, but I don't find the game itself boring and/or stale, I just don't feel like playing it and/or wanna play something else, but I don't blame the game for that.

People suggest things all the time. SE simply ignores them.

Speaking personally, I want content with depth. I want content with some longevity. I want content that feels different from normal PvE, offers a solid mid-range grind (not one that's trivial, and not one that's face-meltingly long), keeps me reasonably engaged, is reasonably difficult, and actually gives me a reason to enjoy playing my combat jobs again. There are examples of this type of content all over the place, including many from FFXI: Assault, Nyzul Isle, Campaigns (albeit with a better implementation), Abyssea. For Raiders, where is content resembling {sea} or {sky}? Where is the Dynamis, where is the Einherjar, where is the Salvage? It's not like SE hasn't done this before.

Instead, we get... the same stuff. Four-person dungeons that are rapidly over-geared and universally easy after a couple of weeks, if that. Eight-person Trials. Eight-person Raids that are essentially just a series of boss fights. And the occasional Alliance Raid. That's it, barring a few hideously-designed monstrosities like Diadem. And, even in Diadem, the game played the exact same way it always did. About the only exceptions I can think of, the only content that felt a bit different, was Palace of the Dead and the Deep Dungeon / Timeworn Map system. That's it, despite FFXIV ARR being around for about 4.5 years now. That's pathetic.

I'd be a lot more forgiving if SE would just show they're trying, but they aren't. They aren't even aiming high. They're just going through the motions, and it's painfully obvious to anyone who has played a well-supported MMO backed by a creative team (FFXI for most of its lifespan was a great example). Hell, in some ways, I wish they'd bring the 1.0 team back; they failed spectacularly in many ways, but at least you could see they were trying to push the envelope.

So, no, I'm not blaming the game either. I'm blaming the company designing it. They're taking a title that I desperately want to see succeed - the successor to my favourite MMO ever (FFXI), one that shaped well over five years of my life - and ruthlessly transforming it into a high-budget version of a F2P cell phone game. And it really pisses me off to see.

[Hakuro89]

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale. Furthermore, SE does try different things, and yet people still say its boring and/or stale. So what exactly do those saying all of this want SE to do? That's what I don't see every time people complain like this. I burn out too, I've taken a break from the game twice now, but I don't find the game itself boring and/or stale, I just don't feel like playing it and/or wanna play something else, but I don't blame the game for that.

There's half a dozen threads on this forum alone with suggestions on how to change things or features to implement every day, ranging from simple QoL tweaks to structural changes to break the monotony and bring in something fresh and new. If you never see any of that, I wouldn't be surprised if you worked for SE yourself. The problem is most of these ideas are outright ignored, or on the off-chance they are brought to the devs' attention it's denied anyway because it doesn't fit into whatever vision they have for the game.

Furthermore, as some have already mentioned, one of the purposes of the forums here is feedback. Given that we're paying for this game, it's entirely within reason to voice our opinions if we're unsatisfied with the game in some way. Saying 'if you don't like it, it's time for you to move on' is pretty stupid, and if that's your mindset you need to get off your high horse. I love this game just as much as the next person. I've been here for 4 and a half years, I'm not going to up and leave without a word if I'm bored. Too much time and effort invested to just drop it like it's hot.

[ShanXiv]

All people say though is the game is boring and/or stale. No one even suggests ways to make it less boring and/or stale.

Trust me, they did, at the very beginning(2013-2014), those experienced players had foreseen the future of this game.
but many of them have been banned from the forum.

and I think, a good director/game designer ,should not always ask people how to create a game, how to do this, how to do that,
he should know more than we know.
Steve never asked people how to make an iphone, ipad & mac,
Now SE is more like the Tim's Apple company