The general player base needs to improve

[Stanelis]

A lot of people that said it was bad largely never even tried it, rather they just accepted word of mouth about it.

It's also popular thought that the game engine/gameplay isn't suited for it, and that's just not true. It could be better, yes. Hell, it WAS better before Stormblood, but if it wasn't suited for it, they wouldn't have added it.

1) most people have tried FFXIV PVP, see that it is awfully bad and never put a foot in such activities again.
2) The game engine and gameplay isn't suited for it (the holy trinity doesn't work in PVP and FFXIV is all about it, and the frequency at witch the server tally the player's movement isn't high enough to provide for smooth gameplay).
3) They added PVP because the most popular games currently are all PVP games that have pro leagues (just take a look at twitch and the most popular games), not because the gameplay is suited for it. It is a (poor) marketing choice (somebody at SE seemingly didn't get the memo that if you're going to have pvp in your game you also need to have a relevant gameplay tied to it).

I mean, FFXIV have some strong selling points (mostly that it is very pretty, the CS are decent and the immersion in the areas is quite good), but PVP isn't one of those.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

1) most people have tried FFXIV PVP, see that it is awfully bad and never put a foot in such activities again.
2) The game engine and gameplay isn't suited for it (the holy trinity doesn't work in PVP and FFXIV is all about it, and the frequency at witch the server tally the player's movement isn't high enough to provide for smooth gameplay).
3) They added PVP because the most popular games currently are all PVP games that have pro leagues (just take a look at twitch and the most popular games), not because the gameplay is suited for it. It is a (poor) marketing choice (somebody at SE seemingly didn't get the memo that if you're going to have pvp in your game you also need to have a relevant gameplay tied to it).

1. Most people really have no idea what they're doing in there, and that's even after the 4.0 overhaul.
2. Why then was there a dedicated community formed around it for 4 years until now? I mean if it were so ill suited, SE must be some kind of idiot savant for pulling it off in a workable fashion before.
3. They added it because fans wanted it bad enough. . . You know, like housing, glamours, Eternal Bond, trading primal tokens for mounts (THAT idea was even born on the forums), and many other features the game didn't start with.

In the interest of time and not inciting anyone by daring to talk about XIV's red-headed stepchild, please go read the PvP forums. Our exchange just now, and wherever it might go from there has been discussed plenty of times. Let's not upset anyone here in General Discussion.