The general player base needs to improve

[KaivaC]

I think we need more easier content. It's not fun wiping at ex primals and 24 raids. And wipes happens, because it's too hard.

What's too hard? Define what you mean by this. I dunno why we need easier content, a vast portion of the dungeons are easy enough that you can pretty much netflix through them and the overworld maps are not threatening (save for S/A rank hunts).

[fumofu]

What's too hard? Define what you mean by this. I dunno why we need easier content, a vast portion of the dungeons are easy enough that you can pretty much netflix through them and the overworld maps are not threatening (save for S/A rank hunts).

And why players need to improve? It's not a single player game where you can choose desired difficulty, so there gotta be stuff to do for all types of players.

And here we have this topic, b1tching about how content in this game is too easy and players need to improve so that developers could make harder and harder conent.

[Lilseph]

And why players need to improve? It's not a single player game where you can choose desired difficulty, so there gotta be stuff to do for all types of players.

And here we have this topic, b1tching about how content in this game is too easy and players need to improve so that developers could make harder and harder conent.

1-Players need to improve because they play with other people. It's not fun to play with people that don't play accordingly. That applies to every game ever.
2-Yes, you have options for difficulty: Dungeons, NM primals, NM raids, EX primals, Savage raids, Ultimate.
3-Adding a middle ground: Midcore content, will help with their learning curve. If everything is faceroll easy, these attitudes will carry over harder content.
4-The topic aims to find a way to educate "bad players" and find a way to teach them how to play accordingly, see point 1.

[Lord_Zlatan]

1-Players need to improve because they play with other people. It's not fun to play with people that don't play accordingly. That applies to every game ever.
2-Yes, you have options for difficulty: Dungeons, NM primals, NM raids, EX primals, Savage raids, Ultimate.
3-Adding a middle ground: Midcore content, will help with their learning curve. If everything is faceroll easy, these attitudes will carry over harder content.
4-The topic aims to find a way to educate "bad players" and find a way to teach them how to play accordingly, see point 1.

My question is... are EX Primals intended to be that midcore content?

Tough to answer. They still fall into that "don't know the mechanics = wipe" category, but they do, once you know the mechanics, come into the "easy" category.

I don't know how to implement it, or what is considered midcore in this game... is it the 24man stuff?

[Usho]

My question is... are EX Primals intended to be that midcore content?

Tough to answer. They still fall into that "don't know the mechanics = wipe" category, but they do, once you know the mechanics, come into the "easy" category.

I don't know how to implement it, or what is considered midcore in this game... is it the 24man stuff?

The only midcore content I've seen in the game so far is Raubahn and Pipin EX.

[KaivaC]

And why players need to improve? It's not a single player game where you can choose desired difficulty, so there gotta be stuff to do for all types of players.

And here we have this topic, b1tching about how content in this game is too easy and players need to improve so that developers could make harder and harder conent.

Maybe if you'd read my initial post instead of throwing your microaggression at me, you'd see that a huge portion of my topic, and my replies, have been directed towards endgame content. As in Level 70. I have not touched on storyline dungeons, the overworld map, FATEs, PoTD, Guildhests, crafting, the Gold Saucer...I haven't spoken on those, but just answering your first sentence, those are amongst the many things that all types of players (casual, midcore, hardcore) can all enjoy. I imagine that Eureka will follow a similar trend with being casual accessible.

I did not once say that content in this game is too easy. I feel like a lot of content is easy, yeah, but I did not open a discussion about how easy some content can be as it relates to endgame fights. Do I want players to improve? Yes.

Do I want players to improve so that developers can make harder and harder content? No, not for the sole reason of making harder content. It's like you read just the title and just went off saying that I started complaining without even reading any of the original post. Not only that, but you have yet to even answer the question I posed to you a page back. So let's try again.

Here is the question I posed:

What's too hard? Define what you mean by this. I dunno why we need easier content, a vast portion of the dungeons are easy enough that you can pretty much netflix through them and the overworld maps are not threatening (save for S/A rank hunts).

[Sesera]

And why players need to improve? It's not a single player game where you can choose desired difficulty, so there gotta be stuff to do for all types of players.

And here we have this topic, b1tching about how content in this game is too easy and players need to improve so that developers could make harder and harder conent.

Like you said it's not a single player game. When you are doing it wrong you affect 3-7-23 other players. Don't play a mmo if you're planning to be a burden and if it is not your goal then try to become better or stay away from group content.

[fumofu]

Like you said it's not a single player game. When you are doing it wrong you affect 3-7-23 other players. Don't play a mmo if you're planning to be a burden and if it is not your goal then try to become better or stay away from group content.

And why should i stay from group content? I feel I do my job good enough at content I'm doing, thing is that i'm just not obsessed with optimisation and perfection. You know why? Because when you try to be perfect - you fail a lot, cos each little mistake is fail. Omg, I pressed cd 0.2sec too late! DPS loss! Oh no, boss turned and i screwed my positional. DPS loss! /o\ Hey, there's so many ways things can go wrong or not according to plan, so if you are all about perfection - you are bound to be constantly disappointed and frustrated.

So I think it's best not to push myself hard, just try to play at acceptable level and it's all good. And no, i don't treat regular dungeons as content who is meant to prepare you for harder content.... No, they are quite enjoyable, until party joins some elitist who complains that tank and healer should dps more...

[weedlord]

So I think it's best not to push myself hard

i'm quite sure there's a happy medium between obsessing with optimization and perfection, and simply trying to do better and be better to make a more enjoyable experience for those around you and, by proxy, yourself, since as you said it becomes less enjoyable when some "elitist" joins and complains. they're literally just asking you to press more buttons, it's not really a huge request

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

And why should i stay from group content? I feel I do my job good enough at content I'm doing, thing is that i'm just not obsessed with optimisation and perfection. You know why? Because when you try to be perfect - you fail a lot, cos each little mistake is fail. Omg, I pressed cd 0.2sec too late! DPS loss! Oh no, boss turned and i screwed my positional. DPS loss! /o\ Hey, there's so many ways things can go wrong or not according to plan, so if you are all about perfection - you are bound to be constantly disappointed and frustrated.

So I think it's best not to push myself hard, just try to play at acceptable level and it's all good. And no, i don't treat regular dungeons as content who is meant to prepare you for harder content.... No, they are quite enjoyable, until party joins some elitist who complains that tank and healer should dps more...

I want to chime in on this one.

I don't consider myself one of the "best" Machinists. I am however quite competent at it because I've always made the effort to be good at it, even when people said the job was bad. Naturally, I give my all in Savage content, but that doesn't mean dungeons are just an excuse to coast along in easy mode. Hell, if anything, dungeons are where I quietly make my little adjustments and optimizations that I can then perhaps take into harder content. I find myself regularly practicing on dummies in idle moments now - the habit formed before I even knew it. And PvP's taught me to think on my feet and build stronger reaction time; dodging telegraphed, scripted attacks are easy after you've learned how to do it when you're NOT expecting it.

I'm not going to say that you shouldn't take it easy or not push yourself hard, but playing at an acceptable level will only ever be just that; acceptable. When the content or perhaps something in the moment happens that calls for more than that, your acceptable play won't be enough to see you through it. It's hardly about perfection or always doing it right; it's about being capable of performing to the best of your ability, even in the worst conditions or situations. Aiming for par won't accomplish that.